X-TREME X-MEN #10 REVIEW

[Brian Wilkinson]

<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/covers/xtxmen010.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/covers/xtxmen010t.jpg" align=left alt="X-Treme X-Men #10"></a>Reviewer: Brian E. Wilkinson, bewilkinson@yahoo.ca
Quick Rating: Great!
Story Title: Keys Of The Kingdom

Just when you thought things were going well along comes an invasion from Dimension X!!

Writer: Chris Claremont
Artist: Salvador Larroca
Letters: Tom Orzechowski
Colors: Liquid!
Assistant Editor: Lynne Yoshii
Editors: Matt Hicks & Andrew Lis
Editor-In-Chief: Joe Quesada
President: Bill Jemas

Chris Claremont and Salvador Larroca have made X-Treme X-Men one of the most impressive and memorable in the x-canon in years… and what is more impressive is that they have done so with only ten issues under their belts. Readers have been treated to the introduction of new characters, new members, new and old threats, the death of a favorite character and the overall evolution of the X-Men. With this issue, and the beginning of a new arc, readers can look forward to the same high standards of storytelling and art that they have come to expect from these two sensational creators.

Without wasting much time, Claremont throws readers right into a new adventure complete with controversy and a new threat. The deadly villain (or at least he appears to be a villain) Shaitan shows up in search of Storm’s ruby choker and the other gem that Gambit had stolen during the previous arc. The gems, along with several others that have been stolen across the world, are revealed to be parts of the keystone… an inter-dimensional gateway and potential weapon to whomever controls it. Claremont nicely ties in Gambit’s affiliation with the Thieves Guild in New Orleans as the reason for Gambit’s awareness of these jewels, which goes to show that Claremont is aware of his characters and their recent past activities. Claremont also nicely ties in to the images seen in Destiny’s diaries (whose retrieval is the focus of the team and this series), which shows Gambit attached somehow to this gateway. Seeing as how this diary entry has come to fruition so quickly, it makes one wonder how soon the other images we have seen will appear in the series (most notably the battle between Storm and Vargas). Though I suppose all will be revealed in time, it should be noted that I am the impatient sort and would like to know now even if it isn’t as fun as waiting with everyone else.

The most controversial part of this issue comes from new addition Davis Cameron. Other than being the brother of the mutant, Lifeguard, Davis had no powers of his own. Claremont had hinted in previous interviews that the team would be getting a human member and Davis conveniently fit the bill… until now, that is. After the villain captures Lifeguard and Gambit, the team needs a way to track them down so they can attempt a rescue. The only solution, which presents itself at the time, comes courtesy of Sage who suggests triggering Davis’ latent mutant abilities that seem to have something to do with teleportation. Thunderbird in particular has a strong objection to this, as it is likely that Davis would never develop these powers on his own.

Tough decision… and one that Davis seems comfortable making almost immediately. He wants to save his sister at any cost, including forcing a mutation on himself that will change his life forever. Though an arguably brave decision on Davis’ part, this really makes one question the ethics the team displays in making such a rash decision. Aside from Thunderbird, only Bishop seems to regret what they are about to do. Rightly he should as the X-Men at this point are basically playing God. This could have serious ramifications in the future, especially if Davis doesn’t like the legacy that comes along with being one of the X-Men. This plot twist will definitely spark a lot of debate amongst X-Fans and may serve to entice old fans back to the series.

As for Davis’ power, I’m kind of unimpressed. Though convenient to have a teleporter, it seems almost too convenient to have occurred in this manner. Not only can Davis teleport, but being a surfer before his introduction to the X-Men seems to necessitate that he ‘surf’ the teleportational wave to wherever he wants to go. How Sage is able to trigger such a specific mutation is beyond me. I understand where Claremont is going with this in his desire to move the story along, but it seems a bit too easy of a solution. I really must give Claremont credit, though, for the scene in which Davis and the X-Men debate about making Davis a mutant. I’m glad to see that it was not treated lightly and that the team was divided over the issue. I’ll be curious to see how this all plays out in future issues.

As for Davis’ sister, Lifeguard, I’m starting to feel a bit wary of how she uses her power. I get that her ability is ‘to save lives’ but at one point she uses her steel body to shield Bishop from the gunfire of the alien invaders. The main problem with this is that she is half the size of Bishop and would therefore be no protection at all. I think that her being able to do whatever is necessary, while interesting, may get old if some sort of limit isn’t put on them soon. Besides, the girl should at least get some training before doing some of the impressive stunts seen in this issue.

The rest of this arc looks ready to provide readers with plenty of action considering the amount of gunfire and the physical power that Shaitan has at his disposal. Once again Gambit has gotten into trouble (though you could argue that it isn’t really his fault this time) and it’s up to the X-Men to get him out of it. I really like the way Claremont either uses the quests for the diaries themselves or the events depicted in the books as the focus for how the series will progress. It makes one wonder if their search is futile, though, as most of the diary entries revealed thus far have all come true. If these events are going to happen regardless, it doesn’t seem like the X-Men can accomplish much by having them in their possession. It seems as valuable an indicator of what is to come as the previews for the next episode of Survivor. Oh well, I suppose that without the continuing quest for the diaries there isn’t much of a purpose in the teams continued existence. Still, I would like to see them either avert or change the future events displayed in the diaries in order to justify what they are doing.

The art by Larroca is once again fantastic. I am constantly impressed by how well he draws his characters and the level of detail that he incorporates into each and every panel. His style complaints Claremont’s words perfectly and this duo is just as much of a team than the characters they depict month after month. If I had any complaint, it would be that Marvel isn’t paying him enough.

Next issue looks like it will have all the suspense and drama that X-Fans love to get out their x-books. Gambit needs to be rescued, the invasion needs to be beaten off, and the X-Men have a prisoner to interrogate! Will this give Bishop a chance to play good cop/bad cop? We’ll have to wait until issue #11 to find out!

X-Treme X-Men is the crown jewel in the X-Men library of books. The writing and art are second to none and the adventures every bit as compelling as the stories of old. Give it a chance and you won’t go away disappointed.

{I may be nitpicking, but I have nothing better to do.}

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Buy this issue online now from X-World Comics (http://www.x-worldcomics.com/x/bstore/newbooksmain.html) and save!

[Zachary Palisoc]

Only one thing to say and that's about the consquences of bringing out Davis' "latent mutant power." IMHO, I believe, that if Chris had a couple of more pages, he would have explored this a little more fully. Hopefully it'll be revisited in the future and I think there SHOULD be consquences.

Can't wait until the next issue! At least I know I won't have to wait that long for it unlike other certain X-books. ;)

[Dream2002]

X-Treme X-Men is the crown jewel in the X-Men library of books. The writing and art are second to none and the adventures every bit as compelling as the stories of old. Give it a chance and you won’t go away disappointed.[b]

I couldn't have said it better myself. XTREME XMEN is lightyears ahead of the other X-books.

[Brandon Yates]

Originally posted by Dream2002
[b]X-Treme X-Men is the crown jewel in the X-Men library of books. The writing and art are second to none and the adventures every bit as compelling as the stories of old. Give it a chance and you won’t go away disappointed.

I couldn't have said it better myself. XTREME XMEN is lightyears ahead of the other X-books.

Wow, I can't put to words how much I disagree with you.

Suffice to say I'm a huge fan of New X-Men, and consider it above and beyond the other X-Men books. (emphasis on the "X-Men" books not "X-books" as I'm also a big fan of X-Force).

The review was well put, though, it's just that I stopped reading this book because I just couldn't get into it as much I'd wanted.

[thespawn]

What? XXM is ahead of the other Xmen books. Ok, XXM is better than UXM as long as Casey there but it will never exceed past New Xmen. Check out Wizard because New Xmen is knocking the socks off XXM in sales.

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Please don't turn me into something unnatural.

[exile2387]

new x-men is the crown jewel of the x-men. nuff' said :wolvie:

[Tan K.]

Originally posted by thespawn
What? XXM is ahead of the other Xmen books. Ok, XXM is better than UXM as long as Casey there but it will never exceed past New Xmen. Check out Wizard because New Xmen is knocking the socks off XXM in sales.

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Please don't turn me into something unnatural.

sales to me don't mean much especially pre-order ones. Great books like Captain Marvel hardly sell while mainstays, whether good or not, stay in the top 20. Also, give CC the (New) X-men title, MOrrison the third X-book as well as having Wolverine, and then tell me the sales figures. Some people may disagree, but having an established book and the most popular character in the world helps sales. Why else would Uncanny have stayed as high as it did?

[ShaggyDiz]

Hmm....
Okay, first off, New X-men is tops.

Next, I'm sorry but I must nitpick.
After first read I liked this book. Then I decided to go over it again, since it's hard to get all of Claremont's words out in one reading.
And looking over it again, I found that it really wasn't a good issue.
The good, first, of course, is Larocca. He draws real good, though sometimes the colors make it a little muddled. Either get new colors or just start inking it. It's beautiful and all, but some of it is muddled.
That's the usual good I always get from reading this. But on to the story. I don't get the Camerons. I refuse to call Heather 'Lifeguard' cause I don't like the character at all. And now her brother is a latent mutant.
Oh, and it took 10 issues (more or less) for Sage to finally explain her powers.
Back to Davis, if I remember correctly, mutants need training to fine tune their powers. With Davis, he just jumped on board, got powers, and got the team to their exact location like that. For someone who didn't have powers 5 minutes before, that really is a matter of disbelief. Also, Neal's reaction is severly out of character. I don't remember him sounding like that before and why he chooses now is unclear. I don't know what's worse: him overreacting to Sage giving Davis powers or him underreacting to Bishop constantly calling him 'rookie'.
I'll let Shaitan slide now. Right now he is just a big bad villian without personality from Dimension X. I know Claremont will get something into him in the next couple of issues.
Oh, and lastly, the return of the most dreaded lines in the world. The short sentense blarb followed by "I'm *insert character name here*!" during a big fight scene. Though that's always been in Claremonts writing...I do believe we know who Rogue is - although I know this is targeted at Shaitan, but still - so there is practically no need to this sudden outburst all the time.
Forgot one thing, sometimes the art doesn't go with the script. I don't have the book in front of me (it's at home, I'm at school) so I'm working off of memory, but I remember one instance where during the first fight with Shaitan and Davis said something about Bishop using his powers when in that exact panel that was said.....he was using his guns. That's the second time that has been done (first was in the Savage Land mini, iss2 i think).
MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!! EITHER IT'S GUNS OR MUTANT POWERS!!!


And that's why New X-Men is tops. Cause I try to read the issue and like it, but there is so much disbelief going on that it's hard to get a grip on things. Like I said, I liked it the first time I read it. But I had to go back and figure out what went wrong.

Oh, and my sis told me that there was a Kill Davis Cameron club on the forums. If you would be so kind as to accept my application for it...thank you.

[bishop-xse1]

About the whole Bishop and the guns thing Bishop is useing his powers when he uses the guns let me explain , if you notice Bishop has a harness on. the harness siphon off small amounts of the energy that Bishop has absorded and chargeing up his guns so he can fire off his energy with better aim and control without hurting anyone in the team with a big wideass beam

[Monolith]

Originally posted by bishop-xse1
About the whole Bishop and the guns thing Bishop is useing his powers when he uses the guns let me explain , if you notice Bishop has a harness on. the harness siphon off small amounts of the energy that Bishop has absorded and chargeing up his guns so he can fire off his energy with better aim and control without hurting anyone in the team with a big wideass beam

Plus it takes less energy to power his weapons than if he was firing off his own concussive blasts.

[ShaggyDiz]

Thank you for that much needed explanation. I will have to check that next time I'm home. Still, the text is somewhat incorrect when you have the narrator telling us what we don't see. Peace.

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by ShaggyDiz
Oh, and my sis told me that there was a Kill Davis Cameron club on the forums. If you would be so kind as to accept my application for it...thank you.

*nudges ninamonkey* Say, how is this kid qualified for the KDC Club?

He hates The Boy as much as we do, Brat.

Is that all?

Yeah, basically.

(mumble, mumble, mumble)

WELCOME! You're member #11. Stick it in your sig somewhere and be PROUD! You're so on point it's not even funny. Davy didn't even HAVE powers, and all of a sudden he can transport people to Madripoor? PLEASE! Last time I checked, only a select few X-Men didn't need help with their powers, and CERTAINLY not five minutes after they learned them!

XXM is like a morbid car crash. I HATE it, and yet I can't stop following it. (Online, that is.)

[ShaggyDiz]

Yahoo!!!!!!
Thank you for accepting me!!

[Zachary Palisoc]

LOL! While I find the humor in your "kick Davy" club, I kinda like the guy. Probably because I know some surfers and have a soft spot for some of 'em, since my best friend is one. :)

But I do find the "Kick Davy Club" funny. :D

[Judius]

Originally posted by thespawn
What? XXM is ahead of the other Xmen books. Ok, XXM is better than UXM as long as Casey there but it will never exceed past New Xmen. Check out Wizard because New Xmen is knocking the socks off XXM in sales.

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Please don't turn me into something unnatural.


Those are pre -orders and not actual sales to the readers. It would be like judging how well a movie does by counting how many theater screens a movie is playing on and how many seats there are instead of how many seats are actually filled.

Personally I checked with my local comic shop owner and she said she orders Uncanny and New the most because its out of habit but that they actually werent selling and beginning this month she was just gonna order a few copies of each title only.

Readers arent usually aware of complaints that retailers make and this is why creative changes are made to books despite the fact the book "looks" to be doing great according to pre-orders.

These kind of complaints could be why Joe Casey is no longer on Uncanny despite that Uncanny "looks" like its doing great.

[Brian Wilkinson]

don't get me wrong... I enjoy almost all of the x-titles... but only X-treme feels like the X-Men I know and love. The others are good.. but this one is true to its roots while at the same time having that fresh flavor of evolution that the other two (read: one) are currently sporting.

[FabioX]

X-Treme X-Men is the crown jewel in the X-Men library of books. The writing and art are second to none and the adventures every bit as compelling as the stories of old. Give it a chance and you won’t go away disappointed.


Couldn't have said it better: :yes: :yes: :yes:
even if I'll pick up this issue in next few days, the 9 previous issues have convicted me that Claremont's back to his highest levels. :smirk: :cool:
Nobody can give life and soul to the X-Men like him. And Larroca's art is spectacular: is as fresh as was the early Jim Lee or the early Arthur Adams .... with all the artistic differences.
I say it with my whole being conscious: though I love madly Claremont, and though in year 2000 I defended him, I must say that in his second run I never thought that he was producing a kind of work worth of the best days (a.k.a. the first run :wolvie:).
XXM has passion, has soul, has great adventure plots, has wonderful characterizations, great personal interelactions, amazing pacing, and sparkly dialogues, and exceptional pencils, with great dynamic linework and great storytelling. :D :D :D
...... though X-Treme X-Men: Savage Land .... was a lil' .... ehm .... different ..... :( :rolleyes:

Wow, I can't put to words how much I disagree with you.
Suffice to say I'm a huge fan of New X-Men, and consider it above and beyond the other X-Men books. (emphasis on the "X-Men" books not "X-books" as I'm also a big fan of X-Force).
The review was well put, though, it's just that I stopped reading this book because I just couldn't get into it as much I'd wanted.

I have only to say that I really love Grant Morrison's New X-Men: it's what the X-Men needed beyond Claremont's return.
The book is damn good, great plots and "Screenplays", good pacing and that weird nasty Vertigo/British flavour that brings somethin' different and that's really interesting.
It's not a Claremont oriented way (as, in the good or in the bad, has always been after CCl left), but's a different way (even if owes and tributes to Claremont more than a lot of people think).
And FranQly art is damn good!! :cool: :cool:
..... but IMHO I keep thining that Claremont's still the best.
..... but that damn' Morrison ! :heh:

IMHO, as usual.

[zenith16]

Originally posted by ShaggyDiz
Hmm....
Okay, first off, New X-men is tops.

That's the usual good I always get from reading this. But on to the story. I don't get the Camerons. I refuse to call Heather 'Lifeguard' cause I don't like the character at all. And now her brother is a latent mutant.
Oh, and it took 10 issues (more or less) for Sage to finally explain her powers.
Back to Davis, if I remember correctly, mutants need training to fine tune their powers. With Davis, he just jumped on board, got powers, and got the team to their exact location like that. For someone who didn't have powers 5 minutes before, that really is a matter of disbelief. and like it, but there is so much disbelief going on that it's hard to get a grip on things. Like I said, I liked it the first time I read it. But I had to go back and figure out what went wrong.



well If I remember Davis said as sage unlocked his power that he was able to sence the trail of where that portal went to. also
when they got to their destenation the landing for the other's was just plan bumpy for the team. (unlike Gateway)
so no, he Dose not have Full Controle of those power's and Remember what Sage said to him After that big fall they had "you Can't go, to that tower, you are still untrained it's best to leave this job to the profesional's" which are storm and bishop.

Now you should all keep in mind that these power's are still latented and he probably won't develop them fully for a while. so
there'll still be Danger for them.

at least CC tryed to give TB3 some personality which most of you complain about day to Day I don't see how him not liking this Idea of davis being made mutant by them is out of character for him.

[number1958]

Originally posted by thespawn
What? XXM is ahead of the other Xmen books. Ok, XXM is better than UXM as long as Casey there but it will never exceed past New Xmen. Check out Wizard because New Xmen is knocking the socks off XXM in sales.



At the newsstand New X-Men and Uncanny linger on the racks long after the last issue of X-Treme is sold out. Getting the retailers to order them and getting fans to buy them are two different issues. Also, look at all the promotional $$$ Marvel spends on New and Uncanny compared to X-Treme.

[zenith16]

Originally posted by number1958


At the newsstand New X-Men and Uncanny linger on the racks long after the last issue of X-Treme is sold out. Getting the retailers to order them and getting fans to buy them are two different issues. Also, look at all the promotional $$$ Marvel spends on New and Uncanny compared to X-Treme.

That's True happen's at the store I go to all the time.

[Euthenaisia]

Originally posted by thespawn


What? XXM is ahead of the other Xmen books. Ok, XXM is better than UXM as long as Casey there but it will never exceed past New Xmen. Check out Wizard because New Xmen is knocking the socks off XXM in sales.
Originally posted by number1958


At the newsstand New X-Men and Uncanny linger on the racks long after the last issue of X-Treme is sold out. Getting the retailers to order them and getting fans to buy them are two different issues. Also, look at all the promotional $$$ Marvel spends on New and Uncanny compared to X-Treme. Something else to consider: XXM is more expensive than NXM, because it's printed on better quality paper. Preorders aren't indicative of actual purchases, and sales vary from newsstand to newsstand, specialty shop to specialty shop. Therefore, the argument is moot. Both books are top-notch, but New is my personal favorite.

[CeciliaReyesLuv]

ummm did somebody thinks that maybe Sage could be Rogue's "salvation/cure", if she can "on" a mutant (Dav in XXM #10) she can "off" them too. right?

[Sara Owens]

Better question;
If Tessa "offed" Rogue's powers, would she still have the ones she gained from Miss Marvel or be completly human?

[adolfo]

Well this is the list of sales(not pre-order) X-treme is in the top ten, but it should be higher as far as there are two numbers of Ultimate x-men and uncanny x-men:
TOP 20 COMICS & GRAPHIC NOVELS BY QUANTITYQTY RANK ITEM CODE TITLE
1 STAR14639 DARK KNIGHT STRIKES AGAIN #1 :D
2 SEP011441 NEW X-MEN #120
3 SEP011430 UNCANNY X-MEN #400
4 OCT011854 UNCANNY X-MEN #401
5 OCT011858 ULTIMATE X-MEN #13
6 SEP011442 ULTIMATE X-MEN #12
7 OCT011856 X-TREME X-MEN #8 :cool:
8 SEP010206 GREEN ARROW #10
9 OCT011871 ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #16
10 OCT011864 WOLVERINE #171
11 OCT010574 JLA #61
12 OCT011879 PUNISHER #7
13 OCT011867 X-TREME X-MEN 2001 :cool:
14 OCT011895 AVENGERS #49
15 OCT011882 FANTASTIC FOUR #50
16 SEP011459 ELEKTRA #5
17 OCT011875 ULTIMATE MARVEL TEAM UP #11
18 OCT011880 DAREDEVIL #28
19 OCT011873 PETER PARKER SPIDER-MAN #38
20 SEP011448 X-FORCE #122

[junkeeb]

I hope that Sage is *not* Rogue's "cure." I want Rogue to figure her powers out herself. We see her making progress in X-Treme, especially in the Annual where she managed to be the dominate control of her inner psyches and did away with the Shadow King. We also saw her smootch Remy in XXM #8 (the silent issue) and nothing happened. So maybe Sage will have anwers to some of Rogue's questions, but it still must be up to Rogue to control her powers (as was hinted in XXM #4). Rogue needs to do this for herself or it belittles her struggles and her character.

Nice Review! :)

C-ya, Junkeeb

[Judius]

Originally posted by adolfo
Well this is the list of sales(not pre-order) X-treme is in the top ten, but it should be higher as far as there are two numbers of Ultimate x-men and uncanny x-men:

This list is like the pre-order list, neither show the actual sales to the consumer, only what the stores bought.
An issue can sell 20 copies to a store but 9 of those issues can end up on the back issue bins and not essentially passed on to the consumer. From these lists it shows that an issue sold, lets say 20 copies (great ) but only 11 were bought by the consumer (not as great) and the store owner stays stuck with the other nine copies (that sucks).

[Crimsondawn]

I thought it was a good issue, but it would've been better if some certain characters were still in the team. My favourite bit was when rouge actually got to beat up a foe instead of it b eing the other way around. Poor Gambit, will he die..........:P

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by Crimsondawn
Poor Gambit, will he die..........:P

PLEASE let him die...whoops, did I say that out loud? :blush:

[KidX]

X-Treme X-Men is the crown jewel in the X-Men library of books. Screw sales, it's quality over quantity. X-Treme Xmen is the best Marvel book! I love Morrison's work but Claremont is God when it comes to these characters.
Anyway on to the review:
Good review and good points made. However I do like Davis's powers a lot. Yeah the "Surfing" is a bit campy but it's fun. Also, as far as it being too conveant, it sounds like Sage and Storm where discussing Dacis's potnentual abilities for a while and the current sistuation warrented bringing the issue to disscussion.

It's really awesome to have a book this good out every month on time . It gives us die hards something to really look forward to! :)

[Raptor]

I think X-treme X-Men is the last X-Book with the atmosphere that git me hooked on X-Men. E for Extinction was good, but all the other NXM books have been confused and rushed.

The U-Men were never much of a threat past the first issue. That seems to be a theme in NXM. Strong openings, and weak conclusions. Morrisson also seems to back off of certain things, as he has with his new (horrible) Angel. Instead of fixing the things that are problematic to her character, he just decided to not use her. Imperial has promise, but it may end up like other arcs: a lot of big words and ideas with little follow-up.

X-treme X-Men seems to be really playing up the family aspect, and that is something I always loved about X-Men. Plus, I like the villians. While the U-Men were neatly dealt with (making them look weak in the process), Vargas shows up and decimated the team, then makes a clean getaway. Not everything gets wrapped up leaving the X-treme team with a major enemy that they *may not* be able to defeat :)

This is just my opinion, however, Different books for different tastes, I suppose.

[zenith16]

Originally posted by KidX
Screw sales, it's quality over quantity. X-Treme Xmen is the best Marvel book! I love Morrison's work but Claremont is God when it comes to these characters.
Anyway on to the review:
Good review and good points made. However I do like Davis's powers a lot. Yeah the "Surfing" is a bit campy but it's fun. Also, as far as it being too conveant, it sounds like Sage and Storm where discussing Dacis's potnentual abilities for a while and the current sistuation warrented bringing the issue to disscussion.

It's really awesome to have a book this good out every month on time . It gives us die hards something to really look forward to! :)

Hey Kid I got something for ya.

Davis's power fit's with the mutant power theory that at Mutatis Here's a quote.
the Mutant Powers theory states that the
circumstances and more importantly, the subject
psychological state or thoughts at the time of manifestation can directly affect the method by which the mutation appears.
However, an energy wielder will probably always be an energy wielder, and not a shapeshifter.

Also, Earth X (as noted) bears this out, as evidenced by the Hulk's and Black Panther's mutations, for example. The self-image definitely has impact.

As for the alternate realities, the only one of consequence is AOA, and the world didn't really change until MAYBE 10 years ago, when Apocalypse took over the US. Most of the known mutants had probably manifested by then. Younger ones, like
Illyana, hadn't, but you can actually see the differences in the AOA (tho admittedly the base powers are the same).

mutatis.http://pub69.ezboard.com/fmutatismu...picID=277.topic

Oh, and here's the Mutant power's Theory.
http://mutanthigh.dnsart.com/powers.html

BTW Brian I for got to say be but Great Review. see ya.

[Ben Hutton]

I have to agree. Sales and quality are not the same thing. For me X-Treme and New are probably on par with each other, but they are so different it's hard to compare. I almost feel X-Treme is the continuation of the X books and New is like a spin off.

[Brian Wilkinson]

Originally posted by zenith16

Davis's power fit's with the mutant power theory that at Mutatis Here's a quote.
the Mutant Powers theory states that the
circumstances and more importantly, the subject
psychological state or thoughts at the time of manifestation can directly affect the method by which the mutation appears.
However, an energy wielder will probably always be an energy wielder, and not a shapeshifter.

BTW Brian I for got to say be but Great Review. see ya.

Interesting and plausible theory! I'm ashamed I didn't come up with it first!!

Thanks for the kind words, as well... it's a dirty business writing all these reviews, but I love it anway!

[Plagioclase]

Why is it that the X-Treme team always seem to get attacked in their suite? Of late, many of their adventures have been joined while the team was relaxing at home. With Sebastian Shaw, the Reavers, and now this new Shaitawhosiwhatsit fellow barging in all the time, I think the team should invest in a more strategic headquarters. And why not? The suite is quite boring and undefined. Heck, I don't know that I've ever seen what it looks like from the outside!

[Brian Wilkinson]

I think they get attacked because they advertise their location in magazines, billboards, and have an infomerical that plays three times a day.


That and they're unlucky.

[catseye107]

I know that there is a lot of negative comments about Davis Cameron going on, but considering that this "surfing" teleportation is his only power, he would seem to be a new version of Doug Ramsey (Cypher). This would mean that the team will have to spend half of their time watching his back so they will have a ride home; thus producing some more conflict into the group as to who will become his babysitter.

[Al Harahap]

Originally posted by catseye107
I know that there is a lot of negative comments about Davis Cameron going on, but considering that this "surfing" teleportation is his only power, he would seem to be a new version of Doug Ramsey (Cypher). This would mean that the team will have to spend half of their time watching his back so they will have a ride home; thus producing some more conflict into the group as to who will become his babysitter.

At least we won't get anymore "rookie" talk between Bishop and the naive Neal--that just got old real quick.

[darkelf63]

Originally posted by catseye107
I know that there is a lot of negative comments about Davis Cameron going on, but considering that this "surfing" teleportation is his only power, he would seem to be a new version of Doug Ramsey (Cypher). This would mean that the team will have to spend half of their time watching his back so they will have a ride home; thus producing some more conflict into the group as to who will become his babysitter.


Who knows maybe he will be able to use the temporal waves in another manner, Nightcrawler learnt to use his teleportation in other ways other than travel...If not I guess "the Boy" as Stormfreak calls him, can always wack someone accross the head with that Groovy board of his. :D

[Plagioclase]

Originally posted by catseye107
I know that there is a lot of negative comments about Davis Cameron going on, but considering that this "surfing" teleportation is his only power, he would seem to be a new version of Doug Ramsey (Cypher). This would mean that the team will have to spend half of their time watching his back so they will have a ride home; thus producing some more conflict into the group as to who will become his babysitter.

I don't think he's anything at all like Cypher. Since when was teleportation such a throwaway power? Nightcrawler is a teleporter; he needs no babysitter. Moreover it is not Cameron's power that is a source of conflict, but his inexperience.

[Monolith]

Originally posted by Plagioclase


I don't think he's anything at all like Cypher. Since when was teleportation such a throwaway power? Nightcrawler is a teleporter; he needs no babysitter. Moreover it is not Cameron's power that is a source of conflict, but his inexperience.

Nightcrawler is also a par-excellence acrobot, can blend into the shadows, cling to walls, etc. Let's not make comparisons between the two. Still, Davis's ability to see Shaitan's teleportation signature is a difference that could have some very interesting explorations possibilities.

[Al Harahap]

Originally posted by Monolith


Nightcrawler is also a par-excellence acrobot, can blend into the shadows, cling to walls, etc. Let's not make comparisons between the two. Still, Davis's ability to see Shaitan's teleportation signature is a difference that could have some very interesting explorations possibilities.

I agree. Even Kurt and Davis' powers are different, all the more unreasonable to compare either to Doug's. And yet another difference between Kurt and Davis is that Davis seems to have greater capacity with "passengers" who are able to travel with him, albeit getting sore bums on the other side. :x

[KidX]

Originally posted by zenith16


Hey Kid I got something for ya.

Davis's power fit's with the mutant power theory that at Mutatis Here's a quote.
the Mutant Powers theory states that the
circumstances and more importantly, the subject
psychological state or thoughts at the time of manifestation can directly affect the method by which the mutation appears.
However, an energy wielder will probably always be an energy wielder, and not a shapeshifter.

Also, Earth X (as noted) bears this out, as evidenced by the Hulk's and Black Panther's mutations, for example. The self-image definitely has impact.

As for the alternate realities, the only one of consequence is AOA, and the world didn't really change until MAYBE 10 years ago, when Apocalypse took over the US. Most of the known mutants had probably manifested by then. Younger ones, like
Illyana, hadn't, but you can actually see the differences in the AOA (tho admittedly the base powers are the same).

mutatis.http://pub69.ezboard.com/fmutatismu...picID=277.topic

Oh, and here's the Mutant power's Theory.
http://mutanthigh.dnsart.com/powers.html

BTW Brian I for got to say be but Great Review. see ya.

Wow! :lick:
Very cool! Thanks for the info!

[KidX]

I don't think overall the response to Davis's new powers have been that negative. I really dig his character and his powers. The fans I've spoken too have seemed feel the same way. But thats jusr what I've been hearing on my end.

In the end I really hope Davis and Heather stay on the team. They have only been around for a few issues and I am already very fond of both of them. :kiss:

[braddock]

I agree. Fresh blood in the team is a good thing. I'm pretty sure there would have been lots of rants way back when Rogue and Gambit were first introduced had there been a forum like this. Let it all play out, guys, and enjoy the ride.

The gem-plot was sweet, and it was good to see Viper again. Picture her in purple and...oh well. Heathers powers were suitably downplayed (you see - she's not going to be invincible) and the argument regarding turning Davis' powers on or not was just great. I agree with whoever read something homoerotic into him and Neal in that panel, but then again - the guy's dating Stormy.

Looking forward to next month's thrill - and boy has that nifty cover with Heather/Alien have me excited!

/braddock - in mourning

[Drackdallion]

I love Davis (um, err, in a very masculine way that is).He is a mutant by choice, and that´s a welcomed difference. Of course there´ll be consecuences and that´s another highlight.

Great work Salva and CC!!!

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Doop


At least we won't get anymore "rookie" talk between Bishop and the naive Neal--that just got old real quick.

Instead we can look forward to more rookie talk between Bishop and the boy, with Neal and Heather probablysagely nodding, when Bish shares his pearls of wisdom. :rolleyes:

[braddock]

Originally posted by Ruth


Instead we can look forward to more rookie talk between Bishop and the boy, with Neal and Heather probablysagely nodding, when Bish shares his pearls of wisdom. :rolleyes:

Let's have Heather give Davis the rookie talk insetad. After all, I think she joined five minutes prior to him. Insert random sibling rivalry, and you've got yourself the classic Scott/Alex conflict. :)

/braddock

[Ruth]

Originally posted by braddock


Let's have Heather give Davis the rookie talk insetad. After all, I think she joined five minutes prior to him. Insert random sibling rivalry, and you've got yourself the classic Scott/Alex conflict. :)

/braddock

But... Heather is the strong female character as opposed to Davis´sensitive 90s guy. We already know, she´s superior -- and so does he.... ;)

[braddock]

Why does strong female character as opposed to sensitive 90's guy get me thinking about Marrow and Maggott? :) I must be losing my wits.

/braddock

[Al Harahap]

Originally posted by Drackdallion
I love Davis (um, err, in a very masculine way that is).He is a mutant by choice, and that´s a welcomed difference. Of course there´ll be consecuences and that´s another highlight.

Hey, you're right--good observation. And I don't think all those clubbers using the designer genes count really, because they don't have the X-factor gene that a mutant like Davis has. Still...how much of "by choice" is it when your sister's life is in danger? :%

[Michael Fisch]

Look at the way Davis has responded to the mutant world so far...he calls his sister's powers "totally cool!" He says he's never had so much fun when he used his powers the first time. He calls Stormy his "angel." The X-Men comment on how he sees the whole thing as an adventure.

Yeah, right now he just has stars in his eyes. In a few months, I'm sure he'll wake up to reality. It will probably be a rude awakening indeed.

[Zachary Palisoc]

Originally posted by lockheed
Yeah, right now he just has stars in his eyes. In a few months, I'm sure he'll wake up to reality. It will probably be a rude awakening indeed.

I think that SPOILERS AHEAD?! the rude awakening will come in the form of whatever happens to his sister and what's revealed about her.

[Seventh Sense]

Finally!
Great! It was really good and interesting the different opinions everyone had, even if they didn't voice it. Lots of potential there.
I'm really pleased to see Viper back in her mad self again.
Sal's art was detailed and spectacular, as usual, and we even get to see some more of Davis. So far, I like him...:yes:

[Silverblade]

The only thing I kinda disliked about issue #10 was the sudden revelation of Davis has mutant powers. Too convenient for my taste. Other than that I thought it was a pretty good issue. Personally I think Heather is kind of snotty. Okay maybe not snotty actually but almost as if she thinks she's doing the X-Men a favor by being on their team.