NOVEMBER 2002 MARVEL COMICS SALES CHART

[Eric J. Moreels]

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[KingStalin]

3 cheers to HeMan! Glad to see the masters have still got it! Lovin all the new Heman stuff and I expect great things form this comic!

[Ryan Scott]

He-Man...um...yeah...woo and stuff :rolleyes:...

Poor B-Sides and Black Panther, though...ouch

[Brandon Yates]

Truth #1 is #15. Wow... that sucks. I'll wait until Born before I form any theories.

[Kyle]

It's this kind of thing that makes me hate comics.

[Jason Alan]

Originally posted by KingStalin
3 cheers to HeMan! Glad to see the masters have still got it! Lovin all the new Heman stuff and I expect great things form this comic!

I'm not really surprised by MOTU #1's success. First the new toy line, then the new cartoon, and now the new comic... it was bound to happen. And I for one am glad it did.

[DeadmanWade]

Can some one explain the captain marvel #3 directors cut to me.
Marv fell donn :(. i've heard from a few people that number 2 was vastly under ordered at some stores.

[Andy James]

cap marvel directors cut is the script to capt marvel 3 i think along with the issue.
shame its going down again its a great book.
oh well looks like Black Panther will be canned soon since the revamp hasnt helped at all :(

[Benjamin Ong]

Very low debut for Eden's Trail :(

Looks like I won't be able to get my copy of Masters of the Universe now :(

No more Transformers also :(

[Anthony Zisa]

Originally posted by Brandon Yates
Truth #1 is #15. Wow... that sucks. I'll wait until Born before I form any theories.

If you're formulating the same theory as I am, I'll just say that "Born" is not going to do spectacularly. I think one of the things that is going to hurt "The Truth" is that there's a lot of sentiment to wait for the trade. I think once the trade is available, it's going to make mega-bucks. It's one of those things that the mainstream will pick up on once it's available at a bookstore, rather than a comic shop.

Of course, there's also the fact that the main characters are black, which surely can't be helping the book in the direct market.

--acz

[Benjamin Ong]

I agree, acz. Trades are becoming the popular thing these days. Look at the numerous trades that most publishers are putting out these days! Original graphic novels are becoming popular too. Examples are Captain America: Red, White and Blue, JLA/JSA: Virtue and Vice, Metabarons: Alpha and Omega.

(although Joe Quesada did say that they'll always publish the monthly 22-page comics)

[Michael Fisch]

It always amazes me that there are titles out there that rank higher in actual sales than their preorder rank month to month (Xtreme if you haven't guessed)...why don't retailers order more if they're obviously making good money off of it? Anyone know how Xtreme does in the back issue market?

[Shadowraven]

Originally posted by lockheed
It always amazes me that there are titles out there that rank higher in actual sales than their preorder rank month to month (Xtreme if you haven't guessed)...why don't retailers order more if they're obviously making good money off of it? Anyone know how Xtreme does in the back issue market?

The reason Xtreme X-men and others go up so often is that a few books in the top 5 (Ultimates, Spidey/Black Cat) are always late. When the actuals come out and two of the top ten pre-orders don't ship, everyone else below them gets bumped a couple spots.

I'm sure sales themselves are increased between preorder and actual figures as marvel lets retailers place orders until a few weeks before the book ships as opposed to making their print to order numbers based solely on 2 month advance sales estimates.

So ya, high profile books that rarely ship bumps the rest of the list up a few spots

[mikecool]

Black Panther and Captain Marvel both took big drops i sadly see the end for these two books :(

[KingStalin]

I'd rather see captain marvel and black panther end instead of getting new creative teams. Though I hope if they do get canned that marvel will keep preist and david. But I forsee a dc exclusive comic with peter david any month know. Heck maybe with fabian and preist free we could see quantum and woody again. sigh a man can only dream.

[KingStalin]

Originally posted by Kyle
It's this kind of thing that makes me hate comics.

Can yopu explain a little more?

[Wolverine]

Man I am suprised that Daredevil came first. wow

[KingStalin]

first for marvel but not in sales. Bow to the power of Grayskull you blind dirty lawyer.

[xgene]

Originally posted by Wolverine
Man I am suprised that Daredevil came first. wow

I'm not that surprised, seeing it's the return of Kevin Smith to Daredevil (albeit a mini). Mind you, I probably won't get it as I'm not a big fan of Kevin's.

[Al Harahap]

Originally posted by xgene
I'm not that surprised, seeing it's the return of Kevin Smith to Daredevil (albeit a mini). Mind you, I probably won't get it as I'm not a big fan of Kevin's.

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if there are more Kevin Smith fans than Daredevil fans, regardless the cross-section.

[Andy James]

well DD is great and kevin smiths take on him in Volume 2 solidfied DD as one of my fave books. i just shudder to think when issue 4 will ever reach us. place your bets now.......january 04 is my guess

[mikecool]

I hate to say it but as much as i love Captain Marvel im ready for it to end my wallet could use a break. Black Panther i dropped as of #50 because of money concerns and the fact that i wasnt enjoying it even in the past 5 issues. Priest has never been a favorite of mine for some reason his writing doesnt click with me along the same vain Peter David,Geoff Johns and Bendis's work clicks with me.

[Eric J. Moreels]

Originally posted by Benjamin Ong
Looks like I won't be able to get my copy of Masters of the Universe now :(

No more Transformers also :(

Yep, we're in the same boat there, Ben. In fact, I'll be selling off all the Dreamwave Transformers I did manage to get on eBay. If Dreamwave won't support international fans, then I don't see why we should support them.

[Eric J. Moreels]

Just updated the chart to include the estimated pre-order numbers as provided by ICv2, and the % change from last month as calculated by moi!

Now we can see the real picture of Marvel in November and how it compares to last month.

[KingStalin]

Originally posted by X-Fan
Yep, we're in the same boat there, Ben. In fact, I'll be selling off all the Dreamwave Transformers I did manage to get on eBay. If Dreamwave won't support international fans, then I don't see why we should support them.

WTF? Check your facts first and don't blame dreamwave. Hasbro is the one not allowing the books to cgo over seas because dreamwave only has the north american rights. So don't blame dreamwave. I am sure they would want all their fans to get their books.

[ManolisV]

it's a damn shame for the b-sides!~a really great title, that wasn't advertised by marvel AT ALL!!!! since i don't see it getting tpob-ed with those sales, it's a damn shame :(

as for cptain marvel, i hate that it was relaunched just for some big bucks :( i really enjoyed it better before the relaunch, when marlo and moondragon were still the focus and not starface :p
did anyone else notice that xstatix and exiles sold the EXACT SAME NUMBER OF COPIES? EXACTLY THE SAME!!! wow :p

[Benjamin Ong]

Originally posted by X-Fan
Yep, we're in the same boat there, Ben. In fact, I'll be selling off all the Dreamwave Transformers I did manage to get on eBay. If Dreamwave won't support international fans, then I don't see why we should support them.

Same here, Eric. I'm thinking of selling the sets that I own.

Originally posted by KingStalin
WTF? Check your facts first and don't blame dreamwave. Hasbro is the one not allowing the books to cgo over seas because dreamwave only has the north american rights. So don't blame dreamwave. I am sure they would want all their fans to get their books.

You check your facts, KingStalin! Dreamwave said they don't want to pursue the overseas distribution rights as it's not worth the money that they're gonna spend to get it!

Originally posted by ManolisV
did anyone else notice that xstatix and exiles sold the EXACT SAME NUMBER OF COPIES? EXACTLY THE SAME!!! wow

I didn't notice that, Manolis. Thanks for having an eye for numbers :p I wonder just how many X-Statix readers are reading Exiles too and vice versa.

[Eric J. Moreels]

I realize that Hasbro are the ones that dictate distribution rights regarding properties they own, but its also incumbent on Dreamwave to ensure that if they're going to ship the first 5 issues of a 6-issue mini-series to countries outside North America, that they're able to ship the sixth and final issue of said series before they ship the first issue!

It's like being given 3/4 of a book and told you won't be able to get the last 1/4 unless you're willing to pay extra, including freight on top, to get it sent to you from North America, or pay outrageous eBay prices for it.

As for Exiles and X-Statix having the exact same number of copies pre-ordered (not sold, Manolis, pre-ordered), remember that they're only estimated numbers.

Still, it is a cool coincidence, as is Spider-Girl having the exact same estimated number of pre-ordered copies this month as it did last! Talk about steady! ;)

[Chris Eight]

Originally posted by kotsin
I think B-sides is the classic good Marvel book which nobody even notices its around. Not enough advertisment is Marvel's policy for titles like

Hay B-sides wasn't that good

[Jason Alan]

Originally posted by waterzerbst
Hay B-sides wasn't that good

I didn't much care for B-Sides either.

[Radicals]

Originally posted by X-Fan
It's like being given 3/4 of a book and told you won't be able to get the last 1/4 unless you're willing to pay extra, including freight on top, to get it sent to you from North America, or pay outrageous eBay prices for it.


You know I wasn't aware that this kind of thing was going on.

That really does sound like a harsh thing to have done to their fans.

[Jason Alan]

Originally posted by Radicals
You know I wasn't aware that this kind of thing was going on.

That really does sound like a harsh thing to have done to their fans.

Yes, it does. If those companies wish to sell more issues, then they should allow them to ship overseas. Other than that, I really don't have much to say. It really is too bad that fans in foreign countries won't be able to enjoy the comics that they love.

[Al Harahap]

Originally posted by ManolisV
did anyone else notice that xstatix and exiles sold the EXACT SAME NUMBER OF COPIES? EXACTLY THE SAME!!! wow :p

You mean X-actly!! AHAHAHA :LOL: ......ugh :shame:

Originally posted by kotsin
I think B-sides is the classic good Marvel book which nobody even notices its around.

I wouldn't say it's the "classic good" Marvel book. But it's definitely an alternative Vertigo-esque style of comic -- and not a bad one to boot -- that Marvel could have used to catapult themselves into that slice of comic readers, but NOOO, they wouldn't support it with any marketing. Oh well... at least there's still Vertigo. :D