MYSTIQUE #1 REVIEW

[Al Harahap]

<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/covers/myst01.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/covers/myst01t.jpg" align=left alt="Mystique #1"></a>Reviewer: Al Harahap, alharahap@xfan.cjb.net
Quick Rating: Good
Story Title: Dead Drop Gorgeous (Chapter 1 of 6)

Professor X expands his collective of covert agents to include mutant terrorist on the lam, Mystique.

Writer: Brian K. Vaughan
Artist: Jorge Lucas
Colourist: Studio F
Letterer: Paul Tutrone
Cover Artist: Joseph Michael Linsner
Editor: Nova Ren Suma
Supervising Editor: Mike Marts
Editor in Chief: Joe Quesada
President: Bill Jemas

Scribe Brian K. Vaughan brings his unique brand of apocalyptic mystery and intrigue right out of his critically acclaimed Y: The Last Man and spins it into an espionage thriller for everyone’s favourite mutant shapeshifting spy/terrorist, Mystique. A similar sense of apocalypse is very much present as the whole premise of Mystique’s series comes out of the Xavier Institute’s outing as a mutant haven (as seen in recent issues of New X-Men). And I really wished this new series didn’t have to rely on such a strong connection to the mainstream X canon, and could just stand on its own. However, this premise does provide a good, solid foundation for the series.

I certainly was not expecting to see as many as three familiar faces besides Mystique’s. Professor X and Jean Grey provide some flawless continuity into this series, while Forge represents a sense of Mystique’s past. I do hope he pops back in now and then because he does bring about an emotional side to Mystique that isn’t so readily “portrayable” without the right supporting characters (Destiny, Sabertooth, Nightcrawler, Rogue, and Forge himself, just to name a few). In any case, Vaughan uses the guest-stars aptly to kick off the basis of the series. And he does so without them so much imposing themselves into it, and more importantly, without the story imposing itself onto the consistency of these well-known characters, considering that the amount of recent inter-usage of X-characters between the core X-titles (New X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, X-Treme X-Men) and X-Men Unlimited has brought about inconsistencies galore in character.

The lack of Mystique’s own presence in this debut issue makes perfect sense as Vaughan purposely chooses to first show us what sets the wheels in motion for the series, and giving it a crystal clear direction. On the other hand, I feel a great yearning for some characterisation for our main character. She’s a bit player in this first issue, and that’s fine, but I do hope Vaughan can deliver on some deep character in the future. Perhaps it would’ve been better to exclude Mystique altogether much like Darko Macan did in Soldier X #1’s main story, which hadn’t Cable/Nathan Summers in it. That way, this issue would’ve maintained setting a strong premise without any feelings of being cheated out of minimal Mystique.

Joining Vaughan is Wolverine: X-Isle and former X-Force artist, Jorge Lucas. I’m rather mixed about Lucas’ art. On the one hand, I’m in awe of Lucas’ grasp of detail. Just look at the opening panorama or Forge’s contraptions. Lucas’ hair-thin lines allow for very vivid images. And such attention to visual detail is definitely a plus in an espionage series where obscure clues might be dropped here and there. On the other hand, I’m just not feeling the characters’ faces and facial expressions, which are pretty significant for a book where faces is central to the main character. In some panels, they even look somewhat distorted.

While we’re on the subject of faces, Vaughan masterfully misleads readers at various points in the issue as to any guise Mystique adopts. There were a total of four characters whom I guessed wrong to be Mystique before I actually got it right – and even then, only because she revealed herself. Vaughan uses this quality of Mystique’s character to keep the suspense throughout the issue going on all cylinders. And I can see that this aspect of the series will keep it exciting anytime we don’t see Mystique’s “neutral” blue appearance.

Something that some readers may not accept though is Professor X’s readiness to employ and rely on Mystique – someone who has been a thorn in the X-Men’s side for years, and hurt them many times, even killing the Professor’s one-time love, Moira MacTaggert. Vaughan does tackle the subject with Forge’s query into the matter, but the Professor has made up his mind about using her for the good of his dream. In this regard, some readers may find it inconsistent and unbelievable. Personally, I have no qualms about it at all, considering the Professor’s willingness to resort to immoral decisions whenever he's been cornered in the past.

One final thing I’d like to add is the amazing colouring of Studio F. The sharp and high-contrast colours complement Lucas’ details. And the same goes for their use of gradient in the colouring, such as the moonlit sky and water reflections in the opening panorama, and especially in the visuals of Mystique’s morphing.

Mystique has gotten off to a great start. A six-part opener may seem somewhat unrelenting, but I can’t wait to see what Vaughan, Lucas, and company have in store for this character X-fans love to hate and hate to love. Go get yours now! :mystique:

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[Merlin]

Great review Al
I loved this comic
when I first saw the teaser for the series and heard it might be mystique i was thinking it was to good to be true and then when it was offical I was so excited I couldn't even care who did it.
But when I heard it was Brian K. (Y -the last man) Vaughan I was exicted and then I heard it was Jorge Lucas doing the art I though who but then I saw some stuff he did for Wolverine Xile and Black Panther and then some pages from Mystique, and I was sold.
After reading this issue I love his art the detail in everything
but I did notice your ponits with faces but with the Austrain spy on her first panel her face wasn't so good but then after Lucas drawing her more often it started to look better and better so eventually once he draws Mystique, Forge and prof X perfectly
look at Oliver Coipel when he started hsi art wasn't so good and now its amazing I think Lucas is a superstar in the making, I hope he becomes exclusive with marvel for a long time.

plus I think Mystique is definatly gonna live past most other tusami titles

the story is amazing exciting everything I'd want, and Al I to had no idea who Mystique was
I love the way Vaughan in characterising Xavier, here we are seeing more and more of the real Xavier that only writers like Chirs Claremont (Prof making Tessa into a spy) and Scott Lobbel (the mutant underground) have shown us.

I can't wait for the next issue

[xstormfan]

i guess i liked this issue a bit more than you(al), it really shows what lengths Xavier will go to to accomplish his goals, but it was not out of character, and i really liked the art. and i'm glad forge finallly has a home as a supporting cast member on this book!!

[Neolithic]

I couldn't get past the premise of the book. Xavier hiring MYSTIQUE? Didn't she KILL Moira, Senator Kelly, attempt to kill Rogue and various other X-Men?

This is absolutely ridiculous.

[I-Ching]

While trying to forget about Mystique's past is a giant leap over continuity I didn't find it difficult because I LOVE the character and the premise offers enough of a motivation on behalf of all the characters involved to partake in these new activities.

Loved the first issue.

I agree with Al about wanting/needing more Mystique but understanding why she's wasn't used as much as hoped/expected. What we did get was a great set-up and great characterization for all involved.

The art is ok. The detail is well kept but at the same time his backgrounds are sorely lacking. The line lines he usues give a minimal look and compliments his machinery and buildings but it gives some of the characters an amatuerish artistic look.

Don't let the "Tsunami" or supposed "manga" labels scare you off. This is just a great female solo character title and for Marvel that's a rarity. I'm glad that Brian K. is keeping the X-Men ties this will help keep it more distinct from Elektra (another "for hire" character).

While not as good as "Runaways" this title has TREMENDOUS potential is well worth the money spent. I highly recommend it.

[xstormfan]

I couldn't get past the premise of the book. Xavier hiring MYSTIQUE? Didn't she KILL Moira, Senator Kelly, attempt to kill Rogue and various other X-Men?

This is absolutely ridiculous.


Mystique did not kill senator kelly and Juggernut has attempted to murder many a x-men and now he's a member of the team, marrow tried to kill storm and was on the team a short while. the x-men have worked with their enemies many times so this is not out of the ordinary ,and if you read the issue,prof X said she is the only mutant who could complete the mission and this way she would pay her debt to society.

[gambitX]

I LOVED this book.. once again Vaughn has me hooked on something.

Freaky what Xavier will do nowadays..

and I LOVED the art/coloriung as well!!!

[venombytes]

I love this book. The art is gorgeous. Vaughn of course did an excellent job. I'll be getting this monthly. :)

[ZephyrStorm]

I love it. Absolutely ate it up!
I don't really have THAT much of a problem with Xavier hiring Raven, just because enough of the X-men new and old were against them at one time or another.
Besides, we don't know precisely what Xavier was trying to accomplish in his covert mission. Maybe he needs someone who's cutthroat, like Mystique.
Xavier has been willing to do some surprising things for the greater good.
Absolutely loved it

[Vash_HS]

I think Chuck just thinks people can change. I mean he took in Sabertooth and that man is a serial killer plus. He probably thought that if he brought Raven into the fold she might change. Chuck really seems that niave (or trusting) to me.

[Steven Paul]

Great Review!

I'm becoming a huge fan of Vaughan's and this issue only solidifies it. Love his dialog, his knowledge of continuity (Forge's past relationship and such), and just the way this story is told (trying to figure who Mystique was great cause it was the last expected person imo). He is becoming my fav writer of the moment!

[Neolithic]

Mystique has killed and attempted to kill many people. Juggernaut never killed anyone. Rogue never killed anyone. Marrow never killed anyone.

[cet]

Good review, Al. :)

I loved this issue. :D I am biased admittingly, with her being so high up on the "absolute favorite characters" list, but even being as objective as possible I think this was a great comic. I thought it was very impressive, like Al pointed out, how Vaughan managed to keep you guessing who Raven was throughout the whole issue (I didn't realize it until she revealed herself either). Personally I was very impressed with Lucas' art too. Two thumbs way up for that.

I didn't have too much trouble with Xavier hiring Raven myself, I think mainly 'cause I already knew it was going to happen and had already dealt with my doubts about it ahead of time. Xstormfan pretty much summed up my thoughts. Xavier's given plenty of other ruthless villains a chance at redemption. I honestly don't think it would be beyond him to give Raven that same chance, despite how deeply she's hurt him. My deep dislike of her characterization all throughout Dream's End might just be showing through there though...

In any case, loving it so far, and I really hope this series takes off and lasts a good long time. :D

[Bamfette]

i loved this first issue, a lot more than i was expecting, actually. I love Vaughan's work on Y and his Chamber mini, but the preview, i admit, left me cold. but i see now that that is because he had me fooled, i thought the girl in the preview WAS Mystique and she wasn't. like Al, i was fooled several times in regards to her identity, which is the beauty of the character, you never know who she is, keeps you on your toes.

one thing i am confused over, and perhaps spoils some future Uncanny a bit is that she is out and about with no explanation as to what happened after X-Corps. i happen to know Chuck Austen has plans to explain this, as Mystique will be featuring in his Draco arc and it will explain the ending of X-Corps, but that story isn't coming for several months... it just seems this is a bit early i guess. now we know that she will get out of it perfectly well, no matter what Chuck writes. oh well, still a great issue!

[cet]

Marrow never killed anyone.

You sure about that one man...? :?

In any case, Sabretooth's killed tons of people. So has Magneto. Both of them have been given their chances at changing their ways...

[Vash_HS]

Marrow at least had a hand in the masacre at a nightclub IIRC. Also she attempted to kill a bunch of humans in during her debut arc. I can't remember if anyone dies or almost does when Juggy takes on the WTC, but the fallout from that attack alone had a high probability of casualties. Finally everyones really is a soft pink bunny compared to Sabes and if he had shown any sort of desire to work with the X-Men Xavier would proably have handed him a uniform.

[Codym]

Xavier had no choice but to take in Sabretooth. He was out of control, and at the same time was making a desperate cry for help, and Xavier NEVER offered him a position on the team. He simply tried to help a mutant cope with their mutation. In this case, he failed.

Logan, Rogue, Magneto, Jugs, Marrow, etc all to wanted help or to help, and made shows of trying to mend their ways (Logan and Rogue even succeeded.) Mystique has made no such indication that she wants to give up her muderous ways, and in fact has embraced them all the way up until this issue (including stabbing Banshee in the throat for the hell of it.) Xavier hiring her does not fit with his "dream" especially when there are many others out there that could her job equally well, if not better.

[Silverbolt]

I dont really see the big jip. If no one has noticed Chuck isnt what he used to be. He is becoming more and more like Magneto. Which is why there is so much rift between the teams now. Another solid reason that shows how right Storm was to leave with her team. Chuck now hiring Mystique show just how far he is willing to go, just as Mags would have. Havent really had a chance to pick it up but am thinking of it.






Rictor

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Neolithic
Mystique has killed and attempted to kill many people. Juggernaut never killed anyone. Rogue never killed anyone. Marrow never killed anyone.

Apart from a couple of hundred humans during her Gene Nation days, right?


:rolleyes:

[Lia Brown]

Heh, I really liked this issue, but I too have problems with the idea of Xavier wanting anything to do with her. I think I may have to overlook that eventually.

My own review of the issue:

http://members.fortunecity.com/rook1/reviews.html

[darkelf63]

Originally posted by Al Harahap


Joining Vaughan is Wolverine: X-Isle and former X-Force artist, Jorge Lucas. I’m rather mixed about Lucas’ art. On the one hand, I’m in awe of Lucas’ grasp of detail. Just look at the opening panorama or Forge’s contraptions. Lucas’ hair-thin lines allow for very vivid images. And such attention to visual detail is definitely a plus in an espionage series where obscure clues might be dropped here and there. On the other hand, I’m just not feeling the characters’ faces and facial expressions, which are pretty significant for a book where faces is central to the main character. In some panels, they even look somewhat distorted.


One final thing I’d like to add is the amazing colouring of Studio F. The sharp and high-contrast colours complement Lucas’ details. And the same goes for their use of gradient in the colouring, such as the moonlit sky and water reflections in the opening panorama, and especially in the visuals of Mystique’s morphing.

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This was exactly what I thought about the art...the panel where Jean is leaving Charles' office was just off somehow..Jean looked like she was a model in a soft core mag giving a "come hither"..when she was supposed to be just WALKIng out the door!

But the fine line detail was effective in some parts as was the colouring...I must admit that up till the last part I assumed everyone else was raven..I cannot wait to see Raven in action..

I too have serious issues with the premise of Charles wanting to use mystique, unlike Sabertooth, Marrow and Rogue..Raven is not coming to him....Furthermore the last time that she was seen she had slit Banshee's throat and just before had killed Moira, banshee's ex girlfriend....

I can't fathom why Charles would think of using her when operatives like Domino already work for him.... at the same time I look forward to seeeing how Raven becomes interested enough to go along with this mission....I

f she was ready to kill Banshee and work against the x-men what would entice her to work for charles??

Also I wonder about the missions..if Charles is more open to the public why does he need operatives?? why subterfuge?

This was a good beginning

[Lia Brown]

Originally posted by darkelf63
f she was ready to kill Banshee and work against the x-men what would entice her to work for charles??

Xavier mentioned something about an offer she won't be able to refuse, but he didn't go into detail.

Originally posted by darkelf63
Also I wonder about the missions..if Charles is more open to the public why does he need operatives?? why subterfuge?


He wants some important missions carried out that can't be traced to him or the X-Men. Dirty work, probably.

[spinarakboi]

Yeah all you people complaing about Mystique giving her a chance are missing something important. He said that she the only one that he knew anyway who was qualified enough to complete this type of secret mission. No he can't have someone like Gambit or any other sneeky X-Man do it because this deals with things they don't know about. It's not like he's going to Mystique saying "I think you can be a good person wanna give it a try and join me? I also find it hard to believe Juggernaut and Marrow killed anyone whether it happened on or off panel, but anyway it's not like Prof X is all excited about this idea if you didn't read the issue.

That said I agree with the review although I think I liked the art a little more. It was a great start the only thing that would have made it great would be some character development. I'm a little bummed when you say Forge "guest appearance" because wehn I read the issue I got the feel that he was going to be in it for the long haul and we'd get to see some interesting interaction between the two.... oh well, I'm sure we still will. I give this a 3 1/2 stars. Runaways and Sentinel I'd give 3 stars.

[Anthony Lucynski]

The fact that Xavier WOULD do this is what intrigued me. It added a new side to Xavier, and it's a welcome mystery to his overall character.

I welcome change. I guess some people dont.

Nice first issue.

Anthony L

[Codym]

Originally posted by Anthony Lucynski
The fact that Xavier WOULD do this is what intrigued me. It added a new side to Xavier, and it's a welcome mystery to his overall character.

I welcome change. I guess some people dont.
Anthony L

No problem with change, just logic. If it was fesible that Xavier WOULD hire her, this problem woundn't be here. There's too many reasons for him Not to hire her, and almost none for, save for a few cryptic phrases thrown in. I'm giving Vaughn a chance, and this issue was okay (the whole thing with the other agent bugged me) but he really needs to explore this. This is currently the equivolent of Wolverine hiring Sabretooth to babysit Amiko.

[darkelf63]

Originally posted by spinarakboi
I also find it hard to believe Juggernaut and Marrow killed anyone whether it happened on or off panel, but anyway it's not like Prof X is all excited about this idea if you didn't read the issue.



Well I don;t know abiout Juggie..but Marrow's very introduction was rightb after she and Gene Nation killed allt hose humans in the club. They then arranged the bodies in a such a way so as to make desighns and spell out "gene nation"...Marrow herself had flash backs when she walked into a club right after Weapon X transformed her (You can see the new Weapon X TPB)

Anyway, I look forward to the the storyline.I want to see what this mission is..

[ArchangelX]

Originally posted by Rictor
I dont really see the big jip. If no one has noticed Chuck isnt what he used to be. He is becoming more and more like Magneto. Which is why there is so much rift between the teams now. Another solid reason that shows how right Storm was to leave with her team. Chuck now hiring Mystique show just how far he is willing to go, just as Mags would have. Havent really had a chance to pick it up but am thinking of it.


Well said Rictor!!! I too have noticed that "'ol cue-ball" is making some very similar decisions that Magneto made. Chuck used to be all for combining humans and mutants, but lately, he's been more pro mutant. And on another note, This obviously isn't the same chuck we used to know. He is willing to jeopordize all he built to work with a well-known wanted murderer
. How would or could he justify this to the X-Men, Authorities or the media if this secret came out? Obviously he is taking a lot more risks to achieve some hidden agenda.

On another side, Why would Mystique agree? This will be very interesting to see, especially if she has her own agendas for helping him.

by the way, awesome review Al Harahap!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rictor

[spinarakboi]

Sorry that was suppose to be "I find it hard to believe Juggy and Marrow *didn't* kill anyone whether it happened on or off panel."

I guess I missed a pretty important word in that statement.

[Patrick Star]

the writting is good and the art is awesome. lets see if Raven can hold a book on her own...she could use some supporting characters Forge and maybe others. They dont have to be in every issue, but every other arc they appear help her and then leave.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by spinarakboi

That said I agree with the review although I think I liked the art a little more. It was a great start the only thing that would have made it great would be some character development. I'm a little bummed when you say Forge &quot;guest appearance&quot; because wehn I read the issue I got the feel that he was going to be in it for the long haul and we'd get to see some interesting interaction between the two.... oh well, I'm sure we still will.

Vaughan mentioned in an interview that Forge was going to be Mystique's and Xavier's "Q," so he should be around at the beginning of each new arc outfitting Raven with new gadgets and telling her to please take better care of them this time. :D

[xmanson2.0]

Nice issue...god arte and the story......wel, nothing really special in the story, and I thik it could have more happening...but nice overall.....

[thewrite1]

Great issue! I'm intrigued as to this proposal that Charles has for Raven and whether she will accept. Charles specifically said he wanted secret agent that had no connection to him or his Xmen. While Raven has various connections, noone is likely to believe Charles will hire her, so if she is caught doing a mission Charles' whole involvement in said mission will remain secret. His X-men are never supposed to know.

I love the artwork. The colours were beautiful and the pencils very clear although I did think Mystique became a little purple at one point instaed of blue, but she was as beautiful and mysterious as ever. Next issue please!

[ZephyrStorm]

Good point, thewrite1.
I wasn't sure I was going to get too much of this series, but after reading ish 1 It's so going to have to become a regular...
:D

[Synch]

Good issue! A great review.


But this just supports my agreement in Storm getting as far away from the mansion as possible.

[Queen Artemisn]

Originally posted by Neolithic
Mystique has killed and attempted to kill many people. Juggernaut never killed anyone. Rogue never killed anyone. Marrow never killed anyone.

Actually, Marrow did kill. Remember the issue where she and the rest of her little group killed all those people in the club.

But back to Mystique. I love it. I had to read the issue twice in one sitting I loved it so much. I can't wait to see what happens next.:D

[gambitX]

Not only that... Marrow also killed the guy who was somewhat a "father" to her to repay WeaponX and join...

anyway...

did anybody find interesting hte comment madeby XAvier about the agent that got killeD???
somehting about her being VERY SPECIAL????
that just struck me for some reason...

[ZephyrStorm]

Originally posted by Synch
Good issue! A great review.


But this just supports my agreement in Storm getting as far away from the mansion as possible.

I so agree.

[zenith16]

Originally posted by Codym
Xavier had no choice but to take in Sabretooth. He was out of control, and at the same time was making a desperate cry for help, and Xavier NEVER offered him a position on the team. He simply tried to help a mutant cope with their mutation. In this case, he failed.

Logan, Rogue, Magneto, Jugs, Marrow, etc all to wanted help or to help, and made shows of trying to mend their ways (Logan and Rogue even succeeded.) Mystique has made no such indication that she wants to give up her muderous ways, and in fact has embraced them all the way up until this issue (including stabbing Banshee in the throat for the hell of it.) Xavier hiring her does not fit with his &quot;dream&quot; especially when there are many others out there that could her job equally well, if not better. Your right she's already worked for him already any way's. And that was when she was brought as an X-factor operative Working with val cooper and the CSA and united state's government . But she keapt showing that she like being Evil and killing any one that isn't a mutant.

And to me what ever that's still not Xaiver. he's has some issue's yes. but seriously if someone has betraied him in any way and kill's any one that he care's about, he'd kill them him self or have them locked up with no hope of getting out through the government or leave them, vegitable . that's how Xaiver work's. Not this I'm afraid.

As for magneto well he was tried in a normal human court and they let him go. cause they Fire on him first. If you guy's mean that ship of sailor's he killed. unlike mystque mag's play it smarter then her. so it's harder to pin stuff on him. and other stuff he was stopped befor he even started. so he's hard to pin a crime on. she doesn't have that excuse.


They let him go on self defence cause of that . so blame them. mystique's doing aren't gonna be looked at that way since she attacked unarmed peoople and did all the kiklling.

juggy has done damage yeah, but the only person I remember him killing was madam web. and she 's all ok right now. and they have the hulking runing doing that stuff often and no one bother 's with im ether. so it's hard to saymuch about juggy sine he's not the only big nut around runing through building's.

Marrow has killed and tryed to kill, but was stopped on that last ki;l and all those people that saw her, think she's dead and have seen a peep from her. and haven't been in contact with anyone involved since. It'snot like they want to talk about it any way and you seen them make contact with thex-men since ether but back the they couldn't. but she still dead to those people.

logan well he was mercenary, but what ever. He try's (depending who's writing him) not to kill , but what ever. I never use him as an example. since it's his title he run's wild in and the x-men aren't involved when he's killing away any way. there stuff doesn't leak in tothose two title's. so............

But in mystique's case she 's an X- traitor already. and she knew that moira was family to alot of X-Men and how they felt about her. So to me it still make's no sence. if Xaiver is acting more evil then the way I under stand it , is that he'd still kill her. and as to the Excuse about his Dream . If I remember right it's perception here that count's and what he's trying to present to the world of humanity that he want's human's, and super human mutant's to live in peace.

With her and resent action's on the world with what took place in 'dream's end "and after with banshee who was acting like mag's too I might add.

xaiver's saying that he doen't give a Damn about human life, and his plan's for peace are a joke. no one is gonna take him seriously with her working for him.

So what ever. this is still bad for what he's trying to push with her around. he's gonna have the world on his butt so fast and be marked as a terrorist him self. and he doing openly too. so what Ever to that as well. lame reason for why he's doing other then he's doing it. cause they didn't really give reason. yeah the god father Reference :LOL: come on man. funny. But how buyable is it to some one you have to Explain it to after she does her usual traitor thing and leave's you the mess to clean up. well I hope this title does well, for those that like it. I really do hope so.

But it's still doesn't Explain much or give good Reason to it other then it's just being done. good luck Mr. Vaughan but I wont be sticking for this. do well . I mean it.

[Black mamba]

IT SEEMS u hate mystique in general xavier isn't the type to hold a burden especially not the type to leave a woman who was for most of her crimes insane a vegetable. currently shes the only one who can help him and he needs her i'm sure he doesn't fully trust mystique and is probably keeping an eye on her and currently the way chuck has been acting over in new he isn't the same kind caring man he use to be and that is no mistake i'm positive its intentional..

[SilvrStorm]

the issue was ok...but i cant believe professor x

[zenith16]

Originally posted by AirDent554
IT SEEMS u hate mystique in general
Actually no. I was fine with her up until she did her premeditated murder spree after X-Men forever where she was seen making that chose to do that even and she planed on killing human's only just befor by creating her new brother hood.
and sorry to say xaiver hireing her make's it as though he never
gave adamn about moira's death. that' off. that's all i'm saying.

[i]
xavier isn't the type to hold a burden especially not the type to leave a woman who was for most of her crimes insane a vegetable. [/B] that wonho;d ion acourtof law for her since she is sane and is fully aware of her action's. but inb't sorry about them.

insanity" is a legal term used by the courts to define if a person is capable of determining the differences between right and wrong. Psychologists don't actually use that term. Mystique is capable of, as we've seen determine that which is right and wrong, she simply prefers to do that which works to her advantage. So legally she is "sane". As for being sociopathic, that's generally reserved for those who suffer from anti-social-personality disorder, which is an inability to feel right from wrong, and a complete lack of empathy. These persons don't form long lasting emotional connections to other humans and indulge in behaviors that are far more inhumane and barbaric than Mystique has been shown to do. They further lack the ability to develop maturity on many levels as they are unaware of how their actions affect others, while Mystique has demonstrated an understanding of her actions and the impact they have on others. It's a stretch of the imagination to suggest she is completley normal, psychologically, however she doesn't suffer from any text book definition of psychosis.

SO Unfortunitly she was sane when she did that event. and insane poeple to plan for month's what she did to moria and that boat load of people she killed and tryed to spread the legacy virus. and she 'still not sorry at all for it. sorry the insane bit never held water with me cause of how she's till acting. and Xaiver give'schance's to people who are willing to change. she still has of yet to show this. cause she still hasn't shown that she want's to change man.


[i]
currently shes the only one who can help him i'm a fraid hse's not,. [/B]

she's not the only morpher in town og the X-universe and there are some more powerful morpher's then her. if "copy cat" was still around I'd say she 'd be the better chose seeing that she can copy a person to the DNA level and thought pattern's perfectly. there are other's out there too. but she's not the only game in town.

[i]
and he needs her i'm sure he doesn't fully trust mystique and is probably keeping an eye on her and currently the way chuck has been acting over in new he isn't the same kind caring man he use to be and that is no mistake i'm positive its intentional.. [/B] my problem is that there no safe guard's on her in the First place like there was in her "Xfactor operative day's" and they've done this game with her too many time already. more then Twice . (it' s near 14 time's now. no one should get that many chance's Especially after she keep's Spiting in their face's and betraying them over and over. he look's stupid now.)

Where they bring her in and she's made to do a job, that she has an opposit interest in.

She want' to kill all human's not save them. She did the Crime of near Genocide and with the resent Crime's of near Assassination of a presidential canadate and the killing of a scientist (and moira Family to the X-Men) and her patient's and boat load of people befor that and what she did to paris france with bombing the city.

That speech abou thim wanted peace will mean nothing when xaiver get's found out that he's harboring her From Justic. automatic Terrorist will be forever branded on him cause of hireing and not sending to justice first.


If she had faced a trial first and payed for some of it through her sentencing and this was a part of that said sentencing, then I'd be ok. But xaiver's harboring her from justice, For the crime's she did on human's . and has no real good reson other then that's what he want's. it a lame answer. which will really have his bacon cooked.

As for NEW I it's weard how in both uncanny and X-treme he's his normal self but new he's corrupt.

as for how he' s acting in "New's title " let me just say that it never made sence. it was a entity in mutant body, base on his DNA and one miss guaided man . not the human race. just indivduel's. so him acting on his Dream for only mutant's to be saved and turning on his former plan to protect both is still well there no nice way to say this . I'm sorry "Stupid." Xaiver made it his life's work the protection of humanity from mutants who used their powers in criminal ways as shadow king and Lucifer did. Xaiver made the X-Men and his other operative's (such a s the mutant underground Etc) befor this event after he met the shadow king and Lucifer. it had noting to do with mag's really. so Xaiver acting like mag's make's less sence every day. all Xaiver was trying to pound into magneto's head was that theydon't need to Fight each other just live together in peace.

Since they all human. him acting like a seperatise and now saying he doesn't give a damn, about the law's which is for Every one is messed up, cause no one in the public eye can ever buy his message for peace, with the way he's acting now for all to see. it' all in the perception that he give's the world. and he's failing in ever corner. he should goback to his former plan. and two still the real Xaiver if onb the Deep end wif not following the law would End her life, cuse of what she did to his only Friend while Growing up. I ve seen how he act's when some kill's some one hecare about.

He's vindictive and act's on that Emotion when it's been done. he may be nice some of the time, but not when some one who hurt's or kill's "some one he care's "about . Shadow king , lucifer, and magneto have seen what happen's when something like that happen's to some one xaiver care's about. Two of them are dead cause of it.

And a Xaiver gone bad does worse cuse he's still some what like that about the people he care's about.

The only time's he's not like this is when he's been taken over by someone else. so


he'll be behind bar's so fast , that he won't know that the sun had ever shune in his bald head and gave glare. cause he harbored a terrorist that still hasn't shown one bit remorce about what she had done. man that divison of shield that atch's mutant's are gonna come done on him so hard. boy he's gonna get it .

[Todd-Fan]

*Sits back and hopes it comes to the UK*
Forge man! *Cries* I wanna read!!!!!

[Black mamba]

Originally posted by zenith16

Actually no. I was fine with her up until she did her premeditated murder spree after X-Men forever where she was seen making that chose to do that even and she planed on killing human's only just befor by creating her new brother hood.
and sorry to say xaiver hireing her make's it as though he never
gave adamn about moira's death. that' off. that's all i'm saying.

that wonho;d ion acourtof law for her since she is sane and is fully aware of her action's. but inb't sorry about them.

insanity&quot; is a legal term used by the courts to define if a person is capable of determining the differences between right and wrong. Psychologists don't actually use that term. Mystique is capable of, as we've seen determine that which is right and wrong, she simply prefers to do that which works to her advantage. So legally she is &quot;sane&quot;. As for being sociopathic, that's generally reserved for those who suffer from anti-social-personality disorder, which is an inability to feel right from wrong, and a complete lack of empathy. These persons don't form long lasting emotional connections to other humans and indulge in behaviors that are far more inhumane and barbaric than Mystique has been shown to do. They further lack the ability to develop maturity on many levels as they are unaware of how their actions affect others, while Mystique has demonstrated an understanding of her actions and the impact they have on others. It's a stretch of the imagination to suggest she is completley normal, psychologically, however she doesn't suffer from any text book definition of psychosis.

SO Unfortunitly she was sane when she did that event. and insane poeple to plan for month's what she did to moria and that boat load of people she killed and tryed to spread the legacy virus. and she 'still not sorry at all for it. sorry the insane bit never held water with me cause of how she's till acting. and Xaiver give'schance's to people who are willing to change. she still has of yet to show this. cause she still hasn't shown that she want's to change man.








she's not the only morpher in town og the X-universe and there are some more powerful morpher's then her. if &quot;copy cat&quot; was still around I'd say she 'd be the better chose seeing that she can copy a person to the DNA level and thought pattern's perfectly. there are other's out there too. but she's not the only game in town.


there are many different forms of insanity so far its alreadfy been established that reaso mystique did those horrendous things was because of the horrors the diaries predicted and was only trying to stop them from happening. mysitque in my eyes thinks shes doing the right thing and that her plans will benifit others who knows the stuff mystique has endured which has changed her way of thinking even rogue herself said those diaries drove mystique insane causing her to do horrible things.chris sometime ago commented on how out of character her actions were especially when he stabbed rogue so can't we just try and put that part out of continuity?i agree copycat would have been a much better choice but does she have the skills and intelligence she needs to get out of a jam? if some how copycat is renfered powerless how will she survive mystique is a kick as* fighter and extremely intelligent. .also how do u know mystique isn't sorry? we havent seen much of her since than for all we know part of her feels bad for the deaths she caused. the writer for the mystique comic said that there is a reason mystique can't look herself in the mirror and it doesn't have to do with her mutation and it seems like hell tackle that issue. plus can u even blame mystique obiously humanity has treated her cruely i'm not saying it justifies her actions but her way have thinking has been shown to go near the insane side. and the only time i remember mystique being apart of an x-team was once or twice i can't remember more than that her stay on the x-team was never meant to be permanet.now she has a decision.




my problem is that there no safe guard's on her in the First place like there was in her &quot;Xfactor operative day's&quot; and they've done this game with her too many time already. more then Twice . (it' s near 14 time's now. no one should get that many chance's Especially after she keep's Spiting in their face's and betraying them over and over. he look's stupid now.)

Where they bring her in and she's made to do a job, that she has an opposit interest in.

She want' to kill all human's not save them. She did the Crime of near Genocide and with the resent Crime's of near Assassination of a presidential canadate and the killing of a scientist (and moira Family to the X-Men) and her patient's and boat load of people befor that and what she did to paris france with bombing the city.

That speech abou thim wanted peace will mean nothing when xaiver get's found out that he's harboring her From Justic. automatic Terrorist will be forever branded on him cause of hireing and not sending to justice first.


If she had faced a trial first and payed for some of it through her sentencing and this was a part of that said sentencing, then I'd be ok. But xaiver's harboring her from justice, For the crime's she did on human's . and has no real good reson other then that's what he want's. it a lame answer. which will really have his bacon cooked.

As for NEW I it's weard how in both uncanny and X-treme he's his normal self but new he's corrupt.

as for how he' s acting in &quot;New's title &quot; let me just say that it never made sence. it was a entity in mutant body, base on his DNA and one miss guaided man . not the human race. just indivduel's. so him acting on his Dream for only mutant's to be saved and turning on his former plan to protect both is still well there no nice way to say this . I'm sorry &quot;Stupid.&quot; Xaiver made it his life's work the protection of humanity from mutants who used their powers in criminal ways as shadow king and Lucifer did. Xaiver made the X-Men and his other operative's (such a s the mutant underground Etc) befor this event after he met the shadow king and Lucifer. it had noting to do with mag's really. so Xaiver acting like mag's make's less sence every day. all Xaiver was trying to pound into magneto's head was that theydon't need to Fight each other just live together in peace.

Since they all human. him acting like a seperatise and now saying he doesn't give a damn, about the law's which is for Every one is messed up, cause no one in the public eye can ever buy his message for peace, with the way he's acting now for all to see. it' all in the perception that he give's the world. and he's failing in ever corner. he should goback to his former plan. and two still the real Xaiver if onb the Deep end wif not following the law would End her life, cuse of what she did to his only Friend while Growing up. I ve seen how he act's when some kill's some one hecare about.

He's vindictive and act's on that Emotion when it's been done. he may be nice some of the time, but not when some one who hurt's or kill's &quot;some one he care's &quot;about . Shadow king , lucifer, and magneto have seen what happen's when something like that happen's to some one xaiver care's about. Two of them are dead cause of it.

And a Xaiver gone bad does worse cuse he's still some what like that about the people he care's about.

The only time's he's not like this is when he's been taken over by someone else. so


he'll be behind bar's so fast , that he won't know that the sun had ever shune in his bald head and gave glare. cause he harbored a terrorist that still hasn't shown one bit remorce about what she had done. man that divison of shield that atch's mutant's are gonna come done on him so hard. boy he's gonna get it .



but u cant say his portrayl in this book is different from his portrayl in new and x-treme hes been known not to give a damn about the law.

[zenith16]

I can't Say I was Expecting this to show up again . ok give a second.

Originally posted by AirDent554


there are many different forms of insanity so far its alreadfy been established that reaso mystique did those horrendous things was because of the horrors the diaries predicted and was only trying to stop them from happening. mysitque in my eyes thinks shes doing the right thing and that her plans will benifit others who knows the stuff mystique has endured which has changed her way of thinking even rogue herself said those diaries drove mystique insane causing her to do horrible things.chris sometime ago commented on how out of character her actions were especially when he stabbed rogue so can't we just try and put that part out of continuity?



I don't beleave the book's Drove her mad.


Well what I'm sayin her is since I ve seen her she was a psycopath befor the book's and that it really has nothing to do with the book's. I don't see the book's turning her in o that at all cause she knew what coming and should have known the out come since she helped Write those book's and Deciphered them already. That stunt that she Decied to do from the point of X-Men ForEver which lead to Dream End proved that to me.

She filped for differen't reason then from what she was seeing in those book's.

And From What I under stand From seeing Court trials, if she was Ever in one and say the " Jury" ever saw all that they wont go for the "book's made insane" bit that she say's she's in.

they did. I think in Date line cause they had a guy planing to kill his girl friend cause she dumped him for or was planing to for a nother guy During Graduating dance or some . and he Started planing for ever thing even if he didn't make it out if the cop's showed up. and most of that fell in to play when he did it. he planed it out on paper and he had a floor plan. So I don't buy stuff like this. I Agree that she's a "psycopath", but no I don't think that it was cause of the book's, it was Clear to me that she was a psycopath be for all this by some of her Action befor we learn of the book. she ether get life or if they ever saw her action's to what lead up to dream's End from the point of X-Men ForEver. Ever time the insane card is played it's used to give a lesser sentence to that person that committed the crime. and most of those people t commmited them know this. that's why it's used so often. like that gguy tryed to do.

That's what I under stand form it.

All I'm saying is she was given over 3 chance's already, they even made her a member of an X-team already. so she was an agent of the X-men befor since most of them have done spy job's befor. And she spat on them, every time it happened and went too far the last time to the point of no return.

It's been Shown that Each and every one of the X-Men wont give it a second thought, "about killing her now" After what she did to their family (moira, banshee, Wolf'sbane even Rogue, of which she stabbed or shot all of them and one died from it.)member's, and nearly Ruined it all for them with the whole idea of "peace with human's" by blowing all those people up.

there's not one them that wont kill her now. (maybenight crawler. but she's been shown not give adamn about him. so why should he do that for her )and now there's no Excuse to keep her alive or away from her ending up behind bar's, waiting for the death penalty. that she ow's them and the rest of the world now.


Xaiver if I remember the character's right, if you go as far to hurt or as far as to kill someone he love's, or see's as Family. then god help, you from his wrath cause if he's make's the chose to "end you" it will be nasty.

And him working with after you done something like especially resently to those people he care's about, is never gonna happen again. she's Repeated this too many time's befor, when he let her in. which has gone past five time's over.

It's too stupid that he'll risk that again with her . Since she's done it the huge number that she has already.

There's this saying this evil act can never be "Repeated again, or to be Forgotten or Forgiven. And that saying is said when a person has been given more the number of chance's then they deserve to get.

No one else in the X-title's has gotten as many chance's as she(mystique) did. nore have they gotten more then one beside's her. Some of them still need's to be given that chance, if their willing to change. but they have to be willing.

She on ther other hand has never been. and it's time for every one,(both fan's and the character's) to get that Clue, "that there shouldn't be any more chance's given for her ever again.

[i]
i agree copycat would have been a much better choice but does she have the skills and intelligence she needs to get out of a jam?[/B] yes she been shown to be just as Sneaky or more so then mystique. and at least she kep's her word more them mystuque does.


[i]
if some how copycat is renfered powerless how will she survive mystique is a kick as* fighter and extremely intelligent. [/B] so is copy cat and she proven it too.

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also how do u know mystique isn't sorry? [/B]


has she Said it? no. has she shown Regret to date since then? Hell no she just went on Doing the same thing over and over since then, to banshee and Enjoyed it and th same with france. she smiled when she cut his throat.

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we havent seen much of her since than for all we know part of her feels bad for the deaths she caused.[/B] nope she doesn't andi' Talking about the last time seh was show til now. that's why i'm saying it. I know how she Act's. all too well . if she felt sorry she would have shown it already by that time. that's how i know she 's not so it's not a good Reson to say she isn't since she keep's smiling about it. she's not.

the writer for the mystique comic said that there is a reason mystique can't look herself in the mirror and it doesn't have to do with her mutation and it seems like hell tackle that issue. [/B][/QUOTE] what ever . like Said I wont be Around . I'm only anwering you cause this post you made is being sent to me by E-mail.


[i]
plus can u even blame mystique obiously humanity has treated her cruely i'm not saying it justifies her actions but her way have thinking has been shown to go near the insane side. and the only time i remember mystique being apart of an x-team was once or twice i can't remember more than that her stay on the x-team was never meant to be permanet.now she has a decision.[/B]


ever heared of being better then the people that treat you badly. and no she doesn't they gave that same deal to her already too many time's. she still doesn't want it

IF she couldn't figger it out back then, That "that" was what they were offering the other Ten time's over. then now it's the Same thingagain . only that she's wanted for too many death's and and she being harbored from justice. boy she's Stupid then .




[i]
but u cant say his portrayl in this book is different from his portrayl in new and x-treme hes been known not to give a damn about the law. [/B] That's so Far from the truth that' it's not even funny. when he was arrested for Onslaught's Crime's he cooperated. In Uncanny x-men Annual 2000 he showed a mutant girl name Amy who was blinded by a shooter, that she should trust in the law and that court room . they even Found out that she was mutant too and it turned out the right way too. it wasn't even too long ago ether. he saw magneto once voliuntarilly surrender him self way befor all this. and befor that mess up event befor the place was Recked they were gonna let him go free. cause his Action's were in self Defence. As I said up top a Few post's up. And Xaiver was working hand in hand with the law in a covert way through the CSA and Shield. this is how Sabertooth got sent o X -factor. he gave Sabertooth to the D.O.J. and the tne CSA Forced Xfactor to Work with him andmade mystique woirk with them as well.


they had cyber sent to a maximum security prison.

there's not a Time where xaiver didn't give a damn about the law that humanity has had Around for every one to obey. Sorry to say. but that's wrong. cause he's had his hand's knee deep in it for year's now.

[Black mamba]

ur post is filled with so many errors and i will rip them apart molecule by molecule. sorry i think someone slipped me some drugs in my juice anyways. i never said mystique claimed the books were driving her insane rogue said so herself along with cc who i think should be writing the mystique ongoing since he gave her character justice and knows most about her its been said that mystique and destiny were trying to STOP things that her books predicted from happening i mean if u know about how horrible the future is how can u not try and stop it? thats the cause for her homicidal behaviour that the books drove her insane and no she wasn't acting all homicidal before she got the books since thats never been proven . also how can u say mystique never gave a damn about kurt when she risked her life to save him in x-men unlimited. also charles is quite known for not following human laws he was housing a wanted terrorist called rogue, a thief with a criminal record called gambit, jeffery garette,a glorified butcher called wolverine,and a thief with another criminal record called storm. charles even had magneto a man who killed billions with his powers.charles is not a saint hes even been shown to have sexual feelings for jean who is suppose to be a daughter to him. he actions in new and x-treme prove that hes even changed for the worst. also from what i've seen of copy cat believe me i loved her character she
was smart but nowhere NEAR mystique. this is the a girl who stayed with a guy who constantly abused he even shoved a knife in her and she crawled back to him. this is a girl who wasn't smart enough to turn to the x-mens help when people were trying to kill her. this is a girl who had her powers changed making her much more weaker than she was before. i have yet to see copycat fight i've seen her get slapped around but other than that nothing show me an issue where she kicks some arse like mystique. as for charles chances i don't see how u can even consider them chances she was with freedom force but the rest of the members just left and disbanded and val cooper just let mystique leave. the other was in x-factor where she was forced to work with the man she despised more than anything sabertooth because of this she immediately wanted out and when they wouldn't let her she stayed with the team until he gravely wounded mystique and the rest of her teammates. because of this mystique left so i don't see why charles can't trust mystique. yes many of the x-men want to kill her but none of them would acctually do it say for gambit the rest have mostly followed the number one rule "the x-men don't kill". all in all if u can;t stand the idea of charles having mysitque as a spy and putting her on deadly missions that would most likely kill her than u shouldnt read the book.

[smooth]

Added something to the characters of Xavier and Mystique - she let a human escape - one that probably would have killed her.

Loved it and looking forward to the next. :mystique: :lick:

[schadenfreude]

personally I liked the book, I think Xavier thought that with her espionage ability she was the only one who could accomplish the tasks given the time constraints, plus she is least traceable to the Xmen. All in all I liked the issue.

[zenith16]

Originally posted by AirDent554
ur post is filled with so many errors and i will rip them apart molecule by molecule. sorry i think someone slipped me some drugs in my juice anyways.

ok.I'm not gonna ask.

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i never said mystique claimed the books were driving her insane rogue said so herself along with cc who i think should be writing the mystique ongoing since he gave her character justice and knows most about her its been said that mystique and destiny were trying to STOP things that her books predicted from happening i mean if u know about how horrible the future is how can u not try and stop it? [/B]


The problem is her every solution was to kill someone like kelly instead of Reason with him and prove him wrong. she never try's anythiong else first.

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thats the cause for her homicidal behaviour that the books drove her insane and no she wasn't acting all homicidal before she got the books since thats never been proven . [/B]


it has there's the Atemted first murder at kelly and she killed many other people befor that. like a man she killed just befor she met Destiney. and that guy had nothing to do with her pain of a bad child hood or other wise. she was killing long ago in the 18th century. and hasn't stopped since.

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also how can u say mystique never gave a damn about kurt when she risked her life to save him in x-men unlimited. [/B]


when did I mention him? anyway I'm not thinking about back then. I'm thinking since then, she doesn't give damn and let's thing's fall where thay may. And she doesn't think about him even when she see's him there, and in possable danger. she just wlk's off doing her thing and and leave's with out look at him or a thought, and keep's doing so.

I don't have to say much about how she act's to ward's kurt.
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also charles is quite known for not following human laws he was housing a wanted terrorist called rogue, a thief with a criminal record called gambit, jeffery garette,a glorified butcher called wolverine,and a thief with another criminal record called storm. charles even had magneto a man who killed billions with his powers.[/B]

First off I Addressed all this in My post's above and other poster's have also on this thread too.


Were you not paying Atention? Rogue''s act's befor she joined the X-Men were Exponged, by nick Fury later in that period, they are not there any more.


Gambit has no Criminal record, they 've all been disproven or he hasn't had one pined to him cause the proof was Shoppy, And other's they found the real killer such as what took place in X-treme #7 the Silent issue. with the dead mob boss. he been absolved. of that Crime. there nothing on his head for now. 0



Jeffery we'll have to see what happen's still.

Wolverine (logan) as I said he did mercenary job's and and most of them were for the government and other Crap. And other stuff no one has been able to prove cause he had a mask most of those time's and most of those people are dead in his own title and other's that he saved have been scared silent and don't want to remember any thing and haven't been seen since. and that' on his own.

it's differen't rule for the wolverine title that I don't touch up on much. so don't bother me wiith it. please.

and i've spoken about magneto Three time's here already. he was taken to Court and the the jury found him not guilty, befor the sentinel attack on that court house.

Cause those salor's he killed attacked him First. which place in in self defence. other Crime's there's not much proof that he killed any other people. and the X-me stopped most ot he other stuff. so it's shoppy.

he 's sneaky.

unlike mystique.

[i]
charles is not a saint hes even been shown to have sexual feelings for jean who is suppose to be a daughter to him.
[/B]
Told to jean by an Evil psionic Creature in which that could have been lie to mess with her mind.

you telling me your gonna beleave someone that wanted
to Force all humanity to be slave's and then destroy it ? and wanted your power's to boot for his mad plan's? Over the man that kinda raised you

come on man.

[i]
he actions in new and x-treme prove that hes even changed for the worst. [/B]

his action in new don't make sence. Xtreme and uncanny he's him self . and listen's to reason. so you tell me how off thing's really are. cause he'only corrupt in mostly one title.


[i]
also from what i've seen of copy cat believe me i loved her character she was smart but nowhere NEAR mystique. [/B]
she pretented to be Domino for most of the first year that dominoc was sopose to be with Cable team. and fool him a powerful telepath. who know's domino's thought's.


[i]
this is the a girl who stayed with a guy who constantly abused he even shoved a knife in her and she crawled back to him. this is a girl who wasn't smart enough to turn to the x-mens help when people were trying to kill her. this is a girl who had her powers changed making her much more weaker than she was before. i have yet to see copycat fight i've seen her get slapped around but other than that nothing show me an issue where she kicks some arse like mystique. [/B]

Read early X-force and every Cable issue made that she showed up in she can throw down and has Taken domino and cable and lot of other for a loop.
[i]
as for charles chances i don't see how u can even consider them chances she was with freedom force but the rest of the members just left and disbanded and val cooper just let mystique leave.[/B]

that was the first time. she was give a chance to change.
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the other was in x-factor where she was forced to work with the man she despised more than anything sabertooth because of this she immediately wanted out and when they wouldn't let her she stayed with the team until he gravely wounded mystique and the rest of her teammates. [/B]


same difference as i said . it's the same deal here. cause she didn't come to him by her self and said sorry and that she want's to change. unlike Rogue andthe other's like the white queen that did anfd tried.

nope that was Dark beast that hurt her . not Sabertooth. the both Escaped after the fight with dark beast not what you described. that was during the onslaught period. I know that issue well.

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because of this mystique left so i don't see why charles can't trust mystique. yes many of the x-men want to kill her but none of them would acctually do it say for gambit the rest have mostly followed the number one rule &quot;the x-men don't kill&quot;. all in all if u can;t stand the idea of charles having mysitque as a spy and putting her on deadly missions that would most likely kill her than u shouldnt read the book. [/B]


this why I Find this arguement off. and I'm not bothering with it.


she left After the Device in her head that foge made to stup her From look like the other Xfactorm member's was shut off and taken out by the dark beast. And gambit has avoided killing way more then mystique could dream of.

Now it's your turn who and how many people has gambit killed. as copaired to mystque. which can be counted from dream's End, and so froth.

[Black mamba]

Originally posted by zenith16


ok.I'm not gonna ask.

The problem is her every solution was to kill someone like kelly instead of Reason with him and prove him wrong. she never try's anythiong else first.

AIR- really? i suppose when mystique decided to accept rogue joining the x-men she planned on resorting to kill her after? rogue and mystique bickered about what was right for rogue her or the x-men and they both came to the decision that charles could help her better than mystique.


it has there's the Atemted first murder at kelly and she killed many other people befor that. like a man she killed just befor she met Destiney. and that guy had nothing to do with her pain of a bad child hood or other wise. she was killing long ago in the 18th century. and hasn't stopped since.

AIR-mystiques past is very shady how can u even say she killed that guy before she met destiiny or before her ruff childhood?


when did I mention him? anyway I'm not thinking about back then. I'm thinking since then, she doesn't give damn and let's thing's fall where thay may. And she doesn't think about him even when she see's him there, and in possable danger. she just wlk's off doing her thing and and leave's with out look at him or a thought, and keep's doing so.

I don't have to say much about how she act's to ward's kurt.


AIR- look at ur previous post again thats where u mentioned him. again how would u know she doesn't give a damn? mystiques mind is very complex and hard to understand. how can u say she doesn't think of him when hes in possible danger when i just stated to u that she risked her life to save him in x-men unlimited 4 from danger. ur begining to say things u don't even know. she explained to kurt that when she found out he was alive she didn;t go to him because she didn;t want him to know what a monster she had become she obviously cares about him.

First off I Addressed all this in My post's above and other poster's have also on this thread too.


Were you not paying Atention? Rogue''s act's befor she joined the X-Men were Exponged, by nick Fury later in that period, they are not there any more.

AIR- but while rogue was an x-man she was a wanted terrorist and charles made sure she wouldn't be arrested.

Gambit has no Criminal record, they 've all been disproven or he hasn't had one pined to him cause the proof was Shoppy, And other's they found the real killer such as what took place in X-treme #7 the Silent issue. with the dead mob boss. he been absolved. of that Crime. there nothing on his head for now. 0

AIR-gambit is a THIEF he steals hes already been known to be a thief by the local authorities having a theif as at the x-mansion doesn't look to good on mutants everywhere.


Jeffery we'll have to see what happen's still.


AIR- whats to be seen charles basicly said no and that hes not going to a human court period.

Wolverine (logan) as I said he did mercenary job's and and most of them were for the government and other Crap. And other stuff no one has been able to prove cause he had a mask most of those time's and most of those people are dead in his own title and other's that he saved have been scared silent and don't want to remember any thing and haven't been seen since. and that' on his own.

it's differen't rule for the wolverine title that I don't touch up on much. so don't bother me wiith it. please.


AIR- and why is it different? because u don't have an excuse for it more like it? hes a glorified butcher and he makes the rest of the x-men look shady and bad.

and i've spoken about magneto Three time's here already. he was taken to Court and the the jury found him not guilty, befor the sentinel attack on that court house.

Cause those salor's he killed attacked him First. which place in in self defence. other Crime's there's not much proof that he killed any other people. and the X-me stopped most ot he other stuff. so it's shoppy.

he 's sneaky.


AIR-really i suppose hes isn't found liable for his wrong doings because they were all attempted murder and he was stopped through most of his plans.yet have u forgotten about when he sent an electromagnetic pulse through the entire world killing millions and disabling technology?

unlike mystique.


Told to jean by an Evil psionic Creature in which that could have been lie to mess with her mind.

AIR- an evil psionic creature that came from charles himself a man who possess so much evil must be questioned.

you telling me your gonna beleave someone that wanted
to Force all humanity to be slave's and then destroy it ? and wanted your power's to boot for his mad plan's? Over the man that kinda raised you

come on man.


AIR-don;t see what he would gain by lying to jean? she would still stop him regardless



his action in new don't make sence. Xtreme and uncanny he's him self . and listen's to reason. so you tell me how off thing's really are. cause he'only corrupt in mostly one title.

AIR-but in x-treme his methods are pertrayed in a way that seems wrong and illogical and in uncanny hes pretty much the same him allowing another glorified butcher on the team lorna and not giving a damn is a sign that somethings up with him.


she pretented to be Domino for most of the first year that dominoc was sopose to be with Cable team. and fool him a powerful telepath. who know's domino's thought's.

AIR- cable and everyone else barely knew anything about dominio her personality and ways were a COMPLETE mystery which is why it was so easy for copycat to replace her unnoticed.




Read early X-force and every Cable issue made that she showed up in she can throw down and has Taken domino and cable and lot of other for a loop.


oh please those were mediocre fighting skills hardly anywhere near mystique.

that was the first time. she was give a chance to change.

AIR-yes a chance to be used by the government and untrusted really gave her a chance to change. why would she anyways she was surrounded by criminals when she was in freedom force specially spiral.

same difference as i said . it's the same deal here. cause she didn't come to him by her self and said sorry and that she want's to change. unlike Rogue andthe other's like the white queen that did anfd tried.

AIR-why would she she sees nothing wrong with whats shes doing her point of view is much different than ours.

nope that was Dark beast that hurt her . not Sabertooth. the both Escaped after the fight with dark beast not what you described. that was during the onslaught period. I know that issue well.


AIR- funny how u find this arguement off when ur the one whos wrong read mystiques bio at uncanny x-men.net then u will realise how wrong u are and it happened around x-factor 136-137




this why I Find this arguement off. and I'm not bothering with it.


she left After the Device in her head that foge made to stup her From look like the other Xfactorm member's was shut off and taken out by the dark beast. And gambit has avoided killing way more then mystique could dream of.


AIR- WRONG darkbeast didn't remove the device her family doctor did.and that happened when she left x-factor and assumed her previous alias as mallory brickman during x-factor 138-139.

Now it's your turn who and how many people has gambit killed. as copaired to mystque. which can be counted from dream's End, and so froth.


have u forgotten the mauderers please he led sinister to the morlocks tunnels what did he think sinister was gonna do to the morlocks give them flowers. he also killed mary.

[ManFromRoomX]

Gotta ask how in the world did she escape from being sucked in by Abyss or is he simply teleportational?

[Black mamba]

he isn't teleportational but it could just be said that lady mastermind created the illusion that she was being sucked in by abyss portal.