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Jim Lemoine
Sep 28, 2003, 12:57 pm
<a href="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/acovers/avg239.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/acovers/avg239t.jpg" border=0 align=left alt="Avengers (Vol. 1) #239"></a>And Now For Something Completely Different Part 1: Roasting the Avengers!
Written quite maliciously by Anthony Lucynski

As we close out the anniversary celebrations, I can’t help but ponder the fact that I was only celebrating half the time. The X-Books got me into this business of collecting and spending ungodly amounts of time reading (when I should be playing video games or watching movies or something), but the Avengers? I’m not very into the Avengers. At all. Ever. Why? I don’t know! I mean, heck, 40 years is a long, long time to be around and still be a fan favorite. But I never got into it. The only Avengers issues I own are the ones where they crossed over with my X-books! So I sat down and pondered why this was. And I came to some conclusions.

I’m not an Avengers fan and there’s a reason: The Avengers are boring. At least conceptually they are. Think about it: the mightiest of the mighty. The big guns of the Universe. The noble, pure defenders of blah blah blah. Wake me when it’s over, please?

Even the name is misleading to me. Avengers? What are they avenging? These guys are the gods of the spandex-wearing crowd. Defend the Earth and the Universe? Sure. Fight crime? You betcha. But they aren’t avenging anything! The Avengers meet up in a billion dollar mansion and drink a martini before the next great adventure (or if you’re Tony Stark, the Invincible Iron man, you’re drinking, like, five). I dunno. It’s odd. Adventurers? Defenders? Sure, but I’ve never really seen Captain America holding up his shield, screaming “Vengeance is mine” while avenging the death of some innocent lady or whathaveyou. So first off we have to get some actual avenging-type people on the team. Move them the heck away from the mansion (into the ghetto, perhaps), and call it The Crew. Wait, that was a typo.

Ahem. At any rate, I present to you my very own creation, The Avengers (the non-boring ones, the ones that actually avenge!):

Team Leader: The Punisher. Why? Even though we’re picking a team of Avengers, we still need someone who has a sense of right and wrong. Don’t laugh too hard now, Frank knows what he’s doing. He can (and will) separate the good guys from the bad. The most recent example of this that springs to mind is Born #2, where Frank punishes one of his own troops for something he did to a POW. Check it out. Frank Castle is the ULTIMATE Avenger, in my mind. He’ll avenge your mother’s death, he’ll avenge your financial loss due to a crooked Enron-type broker. And best of all, he’ll do all this for free! And he’ll do it because it’s part of his personal war on crime. As great of an example of an Avenger that he is, though, Frank is mainly street-level. That’s okay though, you need a street-level human type of character as a leader. If a person (or a reader for that matter) can’t relate to the guy, then the team is doomed right from the start. But what happens when the street is taken away from Frank and his vigilante justice? What happens when this new team of Earth’s Mightiest Heroes confront a threat on a cosmic scale that guns and grenades just won’t work against? Why, you have our next member!

Team Co-Leader: Captain Marvel. He’s freaking insane at the moment, which is great because he’s become that much more involved in, well, anything that catches his interest. Who you gonna call to get the Kree and the Skrulls to finally stop fighting? Call Marv! Who you gonna call when the Absorbing Man starts doing not-so-cool stuff to highways and downtown structures just for the heck of it? Call Marv! Who you gonna... aww, you get the picture. The son of Marv-Ell is the PERFECT cosmic balance to our street level leader, the Punisher. Some may question putting someone that has lost their proverbial marbles (and that happens to have the power of a god) on a team. Well, fine, you can question all you want, but when YOU have an alien armada bearing down on you and you need to get rid of them fast, would you hunt down Thor and the rest of the old Avengers, or would you call Marv (who has no real moral dilemmas)? I’d call Marv. Who’s to say his insanity is permanent anyway? When he eventually comes back down from that phase, he’ll be an even greater asset (provided he still has no qualms about killing. That’s what’s wrong with heroes these days, sometimes you just need to kill).

Deadpool: Hey, we already have ONE psychopath on the team, what gives? Well, his experience alone makes him an excellent asset to the team! Come on, Deadpool has been hired to avenge everything! Him and the Punisher both use the same type of arsenal to wage their wars, but Deadpool has the lighthearted, snappy dialogue to keep the team in high spirits while they’re avenging whatever it is that needs avenging that day. And lets face it folks, Frank needs some lightening up once in a while. In addition to that, who better to send into a deadly situation than someone who has a healing factor and is next to impossible to kill? His costume already has a striking similarity to Spider-Man, which can only help with public relations, right? The only problem with having Deadpool on the team is, he usually does things only for cash, thus his reputed mercenary status. Which is fine, because that’s where our next Avenger comes in....

Emma Frost: She’s got money. Lots and lots of money. And she will do the dirty work that nobody else will. I’ve never seen someone so fixated with success, and she is NOT afraid to take on the worst the world has to offer. Gorgeous looks only help her because quite frankly, men are pigs and they will seriously underestimate her and her power (I should know, I’m a guy). The former White Queen is NO pushover, and thanks to the wonders of secondary mutations, she is now more powerful than ever! And let's face it, every team needs a sexy female psi. So she’s the token female, the token psi, and the token rich financier all rolled into one. Perfect.

Prodigy: Who? What? Hey, who’s this guy? He’s the token armored guy, that’s who! Last seen regularly in the pages of Slingers (in a suit that kinda looked like armor), Prodigy has a burning desire to prove himself to the world and to himself. And he’ll do whatever needs to be done to accomplish that. If that means being an Avenger and taking on the jobs that go with it, fine. He’ll do it, and he’ll flaunt it afterwards. While he’s not the “Iron Man” type of armored person, he’s got the golden body armor, the cape, the mask. He reeks of superhero... umm... he’s just... well, honestly he's not. Not quite a hero (but then again, not everybody on this team is), not a villain, he’s the perfect addition to our team of Avengers, and he’ll tell you so if you ask him.

Meltdown: Every team needs somebody who can blow stuff up real good without the aid of man-made devices. Meltdown, a.k.a. Boom-Boom of New Mutants and X-Force fame, can blow stuff up. Real good. Without any help! Like Prodigy, in a way, Meltdown also has something to prove in her continued quest to define herself and leave the good-girl image behind. With the proper mentor in the White Queen, she’ll make an explosive addition to the group. Add in the fact that she’s already used to being on a team and is therefore used to the dynamics of team work, well, there ya go.

Hulk: The only real tie to the Avengers of old, the Hulk is the muscle of the team, and he’ll fit in a whole heck of a lot better with these guys then he ever did with the goody-goody Avengers of the past. Sure, he’s had his problems with some of the team members, but hey, that'll just make some interesting tension occur! Right? Bruce Banner will come to realize (and has) that the Hulk is part of him, and he now has greater control over the beast than ever before. Being able to “hulk out” whenever he needs to will give the new Avengers the backbone they need. When in doubt, send in the Hulk. It’ll be on T-shirts and Baseball Caps. Honestly.

It will be very interesting to see how these new Avengers not only get away with having some (labeled) criminals on their team, but if they can survive themselves! Heck, it took Captain America to get re-animated for the original Avengers to finally really come together, right? So who would finally bring these guys together after an arduous coming together? I’m not revealing my secrets, but the dude’s name rhymes with the phrase, “Sick with Worry”.

The dynamics of the group are what would interest me the most, to be honest. Frank Castle and Wade Wilson don’t get along. Come to think of it, The Hulk and Wade Wilson don’t get along. And Wade Wilson and Meltdown probably have a hatred of some sort thanks to Wade’s run-ins with X-Force in the past. But Emma would realize the need for Wade, and keep him around. And nobody, I mean nobody, would trust Marv too much (maybe Wade, but that’s because they are both insane). And what about the Hulk? Can you imagine the government letting the most dangerous force of nature on the planet reside on a team that’s supposed to be synonymous with the word “hero”? Prodigy and his attitude would probably cause all sorts of chaos, and let's not forget Meltdown and her ability to be a hothead. All that alone would make for an interesting first year, at least. And let's not forget the backstory of how this new team would come together. What, you think they’d just meet up and decide to form a team? Hardly. Something catastrophic would have to happen to the OLD Avengers first, bringing all of the new players into the picture! I’m thinking Thanos, and Deadpool, and a plot started towards the end of Deadpool’s solo title....

For the first time, I would be interested in this team! But wait a minute, this isn’t the Avengers you say! This is a bunch of people under the Avengers name! Sorry, but it is. It’s the new Avengers. My Avengers. When Mike Allred and Peter Milligan took X-Force and evolved it into something new and exciting and different, it worked. Sure, the old guard felt betrayed by the new direction, but sometimes you need to shake things up to get rid of the stagnancy of a title that’s been around for 40 years with pretty much the usual suspects. As long as you have a competent creative team on-board, it’ll do fine!

That’s my Avengers. Take the old Avengers, call them what they are (The Defenders), and give me a pro-active, kick butt team. Slap a fan-favorite writer and artist on the book, you have your new #1 Top Ten book, just in-time to celebrate turning 40!

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Tune in tomorrow when we roast... well... you know....

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Anthony Lucynski loves Deadpool and hates the Avengers. Oh, wait... did you get that already?

Now more than ever, the opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the writer, and are not reflective of ComiX-Fan or its other staff in general. It's all Anthony's fault.

fitzybaby
Sep 28, 2003, 01:15 pm
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Anthony L, you've done it again, what a team. I'm not a fan of the avengers either and, hell, I'd buy that book. Lets start a petition.....

harlekein
Sep 28, 2003, 01:16 pm
:LOL:

Nice column Anth. I can't say I can agree with you about getting rid of the old Avengers but I'd love to see this team do some... avenging.

Joel Phillips
Sep 28, 2003, 01:24 pm
Oh Anthony... did we teach you nothing? After all our efforts to show you how great the Avengers are... where did Jim and I go wrong?

Anyway, ditch Emma "Skankmaster General" Frost and I'd buy that title. And maybe get rid of that Slingers loser too. I'd replace him with some cooler "guy with armor"... which would be just about anybody. (Cardinal? Stingray? Groundhog? Oh, the possibilities!)

Oh, and Wade should die in every issue. Like Kenny, but with more splatter.

Great job, Anthony. I'm anxiously awaiting Part 2.

Scott Williams
Sep 28, 2003, 01:38 pm
Fan-frigging-tastic, Anthony. I'd buy that book.

Heck, I'd WRITE that book!

Alex Groff
Sep 28, 2003, 01:43 pm
I agree completely, Anthony. Excellent team. My only question is: who on earth can actually be a viable threat? I mean, insanity is the only thing that keeps this team from stopping a villain.

Frank: Oh, it's Galactus again. Didn't he learn last time? Someone get Marv, would ya?

Prodigy: He had another breakdown, sir.

Wade: I can do it! I can do it! Let me at 'im, boss, let me at 'im!

Frank: Shaddup. Where's the Hulk? Maybe he can smack Galactus around for a while while I reload.

Meltdown: Uh, Bruce is getting in touch with his feminine side, sir. He's out picking flowers.

Frank: You're not serious.

Meltdown: I kept telling Hulk, sooner or later you're going to run out of testosterone, but did he listen? No.

Bruce: Anyone want to see Hairspray on Broadway with me?

Wade: I've got guns! I've got swords! I'm crazy! Let me at 'im! What's Marv got that I ain't got?

Prodigy: Omnipotence?

Frank: Wade, shut up or Galactus won't get a chance to kill you.

Wade: Com'on Frankie-boy, plllllllllleeeeeeaaaassseeee?

(Frank shoots Wade.)

Wade: Great. Now I have to wait until my skull heals before I can beat up Galactus.

(Frank pulls out a bigger gun and continues firing.)

Emma: Boys! I feel like I'm with a bunch of prepubescent soap stars. All this angst, so little conflict.

Prodigy: Ah, ma'am, what about Galactus?

Emma: I just bought a small planet for him to snack on, so he'd leave us alone. Hopefully the Shi'ar won't mind.

Excellent piece Anthony. I'm already waiting for the next.

Omar A. Safi
Sep 28, 2003, 01:46 pm
:LOL: That was great Anth. You need to write this book for Marvel & have like, Bryan Hitch on art.

Damn Joel, that would be awesome if Wade died every issue. He should be completley dismembered and then killed. That'd be some great ****.

TracyNichols
Sep 28, 2003, 02:14 pm
Originally posted by Alex Groff
I agree completely, Anthony. Excellent team. My only question is: who on earth can actually be a viable threat? I mean, insanity is the only thing that keeps this team from stopping a villain.

Frank: Oh, it's Galactus again. Didn't he learn last time? Someone get Marv, would ya?

Prodigy: He had another breakdown, sir.

Wade: I can do it! I can do it! Let me at 'im, boss, let me at 'im!

Frank: Shaddup. Where's the Hulk? Maybe he can smack Galactus around for a while while I reload.

Meltdown: Uh, Bruce is getting in touch with his feminine side, sir. He's out picking flowers.

Frank: You're not serious.

Meltdown: I kept telling Hulk, sooner or later you're going to run out of testosterone, but did he listen? No.

Bruce: Anyone want to see Hairspray on Broadway with me?

Wade: I've got guns! I've got swords! I'm crazy! Let me at 'im! What's Marv got that I ain't got?

Prodigy: Omnipotence?

Frank: Wade, shut up or Galactus won't get a chance to kill you.

Wade: Com'on Frankie-boy, plllllllllleeeeeeaaaassseeee?

(Frank shoots Wade.)

Wade: Great. Now I have to wait until my skull heals before I can beat up Galactus.

(Frank pulls out a bigger gun and continues firing.)

Emma: Boys! I feel like I'm with a bunch of prepubescent soap stars. All this angst, so little conflict.

Prodigy: Ah, ma'am, what about Galactus?

Emma: I just bought a small planet for him to snack on, so he'd leave us alone. Hopefully the Shi'ar won't mind.

Excellent piece Anthony. I'm already waiting for the next.

The article alone was funny enough, but THIS had me in tears! :rofl:

Great job, and that would be the best superhero/antihero team ever....in the five seconds they existed before they killed each other, that is.

DeadmanWade
Sep 28, 2003, 02:28 pm
cool stuff anthony i'd buy avengers if it was that line up tehhehe

eLIAS bOGAN
Sep 28, 2003, 02:37 pm
Alex Groff,

LMAO. Emma buying a planet....i'm surprised GM never had her do that.

I've always hated the Avengers when the "Big Three" were on the team at the same time. Around Avengers # 27 or so, the team got smaller and i think only Iron Man was around. It was him, Carol, Jan, Hank, Jen and like one other person. It was a great small team.

Keith Beefy Moore
Sep 28, 2003, 03:24 pm
:clap: :LOL:
that would rock so hard. I can just imagine Deadpool dealing with all those different people. But I thought you might have needed more females. Maybe Elektra? The blond Black Widow? I don't know. But great post.

Jorge Ramiro
Sep 28, 2003, 03:47 pm
The Avengers and X-Men features are very interesting and well done , I applaud the effort you all have put in the Avengers/X-Men anniversary , top tens , charts , comparisions , articles and then this column!
Anthony this was one of the funniest columns :LOL: I always had the same thought... what are they Avenging ;) ? and even though it was kind of parody I would buy the book.

Patrick James
Sep 28, 2003, 04:36 pm
I cannot fully appreciate this column, as those people would make TERRIBLE Avengers, but we all know that "Avengers" is the wrong name for the current team anyways.

The article was funny, I just can't fully enjoy it as I'm too intensely fond of the old guard...except Thor...

Captain America
Sep 28, 2003, 05:01 pm
This is interesting, certainly a good read, but there is something...no, someone missing. So you want a team that lives up to the name, goes for vengence. Ok I am the only that automatically thinks of Ghost Rider? Vengence was what he existed for! Add him and we got one hell of a team...

Good job with the article.

Youri Zoutman
Sep 28, 2003, 05:01 pm
This sure is...interresting!:rofl:

theory
Sep 28, 2003, 05:07 pm
ive never been a fan of the avengers either. most of the same reasons you mentioned, they just didnt catch my interest. i read ironman, and have been since heroes return, but other than that, i dont touch any of 'earths mightiest heroes' stuff.

Zach Kinkead
Sep 28, 2003, 05:10 pm
Originally posted by Arkangel4Psy
those people would make TERRIBLE Avengers


That's why they didn't make it into the "I AM GYRICH: THE DREAM AVENGERS LINE-UPS (http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22126)" thread (frankly I'm shocked that my team made it there. I mean I went and killed about 90% of the Avengers and put most of the rest out of action)

NicholasRogue
Sep 28, 2003, 05:11 pm
I agree with you on the fact that I never really got into the Avengers, I mean heroes loved by everyone just isn't that appealing to me.

Youri Zoutman
Sep 28, 2003, 05:12 pm
Zach, your team was my favorite :)

Radiate
Sep 28, 2003, 06:05 pm
LMAO!

Great Column again Jim:D

I agree the team never did Avenge much...Maybe that's why the Ultimates is my first ever Avengers type book i'm collecting...hmmm...

Well anyhoo these made-up teams sound great!:yes:

Why don't you head down to the Millennial Visions Thread in the FAns By the Fans forum!:D

You can make your teams AND creat stories for them;)

RADIATE!

Zachary J. Morrison
Sep 28, 2003, 06:19 pm
Cool column, Anthony L. I like the original Avengers team, but the current team is cool. Looking forward to part 2 of this column :D

Stormy
Sep 28, 2003, 06:21 pm
Eerily, I found myself agreeing with the entire preamble. Never have been an Avengers fan, and despite all the excellent articles this month, am not hugely motivated to go out and buy anything Avengers. I take it the X-men are up for roasting tomorrow? Look out...

Wolverine
Sep 28, 2003, 06:49 pm
Damn Anthony you are one funny mother!

Dylan McKay
Sep 28, 2003, 06:57 pm
That's great. I also agree that they're boring. Another main reason their boring is the power of characters like Thor and Ironman. While Marv and Hulk offer the same problem, they are easy to deal with, if they are fighting a cool villain who isn't insanely powerful, both could just be disinterested in fighting and leave it to the rest of the team.

Although personally I see Cable as a great avenger on any sort of team, imagine him as Cap's co-leader?

and ho is this rhymes with "Sick with Worry" character....

Dragon
Sep 28, 2003, 07:05 pm
Thats so funny i'd have to buy that comic if it ever came out

bmack
Sep 28, 2003, 08:48 pm
:rofl:

That was great! The Avengers do need a certain something.... not quite sure what.... but they need something.

You should roast everyone!

~ The Mack

Eric J. Moreels
Sep 28, 2003, 09:11 pm
Add Typhoid Mary to the mix, and I'm sold! ;)

:rofl:

Damn, Anth, we should get you your own regular column after this gut-buster! :yes:

Anthony Lucynski
Sep 28, 2003, 11:08 pm
A regular column by me would signal the end of any credibility this website ever had and would have in the future.

Jim let me out of my cage, and quickly realized the mistake. But not before I warped the mind of the guy who's doing the next column.....

(oh, see, you assumed it was me? LOL. Yeah. Like they'd let this happen again)

And think about it, come on. I'm a Rob Liefeld fan. Which means a "regular" column by me would see it to issue #2 (8 months from now) and then you'd never get another one out of me at this website until we become Everything-Fan and get a new sponsor.

Some thoughts:

Ghost Rider: Not on a team. But he would occasionaly guest star.

"Sick with Worry": He smokes a cigar and has an eye patch (I thought it was painfully (and I do mean painfully) obvious)

Oh, and yeah, I like the idea of Wade Dying every issue and then coming back the next. It would really re-inforce the Thanos curse.

Oh, and before the hate mail to the editors from pureist, you really need to look at the disclaimer in the article. No mailbombs or anthrax scares are neccesary, no matter how fun they may seem at first.

Anthony L

vheart
Sep 28, 2003, 11:19 pm
How 'bout Loony Lorna as an additional female? She's crazy, she's sassy, she can blow the world up and she's DEFINATELY got lots of avenging to do. ;) You go girl!

Gat0r-ManX
Sep 29, 2003, 08:28 am
heck.. i'd buy anything with deadpool rite bout now.

BlackSamurai
Sep 29, 2003, 02:02 pm
Darned funny and so true about the Avengers not being true avengers. I have always seen the Defenders (particularly Hulk and Namor, okay specifically Hulk and Namor) as the avenging type. I do like the Avengers, even though I like the X-Men far more, but I have never seen their name as more than just a team name, I never considered them actual Avengers in any light. They can be changed though, take out Cap, let Ironman go after more tech ripoffs like he did in armor wars and let Thor frown on injustice to people on a whole and Avenge the oppressed. He started that line of thought in his own book but is being degraded into madness by how far he is willing to go. His own hammer is now unliftable by him because it only lets the worthy lift it. While I am not comfortable with his being worshiped again, this arc gives him a closer attitude to be an avenger in the true sense of the word. I'd actually like someone to address this misuse and inaccuracy of their team as I am sure they realised by naming them the Ultimates instead of Ultimate Avengers when they revised them there. Unfortunately that shakeup would never go down well because of all these years of establishing them as 'The Avengers.'

Once again though I acknowledge this article as truly hurt-your-back-laughing funny and agree these would be AVENGERS. Even Emma Frost, who knew when to shoot someone (her sister) for their misdeads. I don't expect the X-Men roast to be in the same light though as there is not a similar clear cut misuse of the name, other than EX-Humans (by expansion of name) arguing constantly they should be seen as Human.

JustBlaze03
Sep 29, 2003, 03:57 pm
Hey Somebody Should submit this as a EPIC tittle.It'd be great! Epic allows you to use current Marvel characters in a differnt light.So this would be a great way.ComiX-FAn should get a writer and a kick-ass artist and watch the money flow...............

NateGrey65
Sep 30, 2003, 02:26 pm
ORRR...you could just change prodigy for ghost rider (he Is the spirit of vengeance after all and honestly, who here gives a crap about prodigy) and then just sell it a new Exiles series-they could be the counter X style evil Exiles already dubbed Weapon X

Anthony Lucynski
Oct 1, 2003, 09:15 am
No-one (maybe Jim) cares about Prodigy. Heck, I dont even like him.

That's the beauty of the situation.

;)

If the Avengers of today can have reserve members, so could mine. GR would fit into that catagory :)

Anthony L

Anthony Lucynski
Mar 18, 2004, 01:05 pm
Well, with Bendis and Finch on Avengers, I may just become an Avengers fan yet.

I still like my line up, though :)

Anthony L