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Al Harahap
Feb 22, 2004, 09:26 am
<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/headshots/dc/superman1.jpg" align="left">Real Name: Kal-El
Aliases: Clark Joseph Kent
Former Aliases: Gangbuster II, Krypton Man, Superman Blue, Superman Red, Nightwing III
First Appearance: Action Comics #1
Death: Superman (2nd series) #75
Resurrection: Action Comics #689
Known Relatives: Bizarro (clone), Hank Henshaw (Cyborg II, genetic recipient), Kon-El (Superboy, genetic recipient, adoptive cousin), Match (clone of genetic recipient), Jor-El I (grandfather, deceased), Jor-El II (father, deceased), Lara Jor-El (mother, deceased), Zor-El (uncle, deceased), Allura Zor-El (aunt, deceased), Kara Zor-El (cousin), Jonathan Kent (adoptive father), Martha Kent (adoptive mother), Lois Lane (wife), General Samuel Lane (father-in-law, deceased), Ellen Lane (mother-in-law), Lucy Lane (sister-in-law).
Group Affiliation: Justice League of America III, formerly Justice League of America I, Justice League America, Justice League of Aliens
Known Allies: Lana Lang, Jimmy Olsen, Superboy, Krypto, Steel IV, Batman I, Wonder Woman II
Major Enemies: Lex Luthor, Doomsday, Brainiac, Mr. Mxyzptlk, Metallo
Height: 6'3
Weight: 225lbs
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Super Black


During the final moments of the planet Krypton's doom, renowned scientist Jor-El and wife Lara placed their son Kal-El into a small, intergalactic rocket ship in hopes that he would survive as the last son of Krypton. The rocket ship entered Earth's atmosphere and came crashing down like a meteor into the sparse farming fields of Smallville, Kansas, U.S.A. Per chance, the local couple of Jonathan and Martha Kent witnessed the event. Curious, the two approached the ship and found the baby Kal-El. Unsure at first, the childless Kents decided to adopt the baby, naming him Clark, and covered up the alien event from the public and the rest of the world. Clark would spend the remainder of his formative years in small town Smallville.

It wasn't until Clark's adolescence that the Kents realised of his superhuman abilities. Throughout high school, Clark not only continued to learn more and more of his superpowers, but began sbusing them to cheat in his academics as well as to be the star of his football team. When the Kents revealed Clark's extraterrestrial origin to him, he began to understand the responsibility that came along with such powers. It was also in high school where Clark met his first love, Lana Lang, and his friend, the future president of the U.S.A., Pete Ross.

Soon after, Clark pursued his higher education in the nearby city of Metropolis, wherein he would graduate with a degree in journalism. One day, while a malfunction in a NASA plane caused it to come crashing down through the sky, Clark quickly thought to use his powers to save it. Witnessing the event, hotshot Daily Planet reporter Lois Lane scooped the incident, labeling the mysterious figure as "Superman." Clark quickly adopted it as his official codename, and created a blue and red superhero costume, while giving his secret identity Clark Kent a pair of glasses, to distinguish his two identities to protect his loved ones from his enemies. Clark himself joined the Daily Planet staff and soon began an endearing friendship with his main competitor, the gung-ho reporter Lois Lane. It was also here where Clark met his best friend, Daily Planet staff photographer Jimmy Olsen.

Meanwhile, Superman became the beloved protector of Metropolis. But with Superman's appearance also came bigger threats to society. Superman then first meets his nemesis, Lex Luthor, who in his growing obsession to thwart the Man of Steel came upon Green Kryptonite -- radiated chunks of the exploded planet Krypton that made Kryptonians weak or even die with prolonged exposure. Time and again, the two would face off, and although Superman continues to thwart Luthor's plans, his personal vendetta has made each time prove more and more dangerous. One such plan was to create a clone of Superman that Luthor could control for his own evil purposes. But the result was a twisted imperfection that became known as Bizarro. Superman's appearance also led to the creation of Intergang, an organised crime syndicate led by the businessman-cum-crime-lord Morgan Edge, who received Apokolips technology to wreak havoc on Earth from Darkseid himself.

Superman's reputation as a hero quickly grew to not only the rest of America, but the whole wide world. His heroism also ushered in a new era of superheroes who continued the legacy of Earth's first generation of superheroes from the golden age World War II era. He would soon meet with Batman of Gotham City and begin a love-hate relationship that has endured over the years. While Superman may often disagree with Batman's unethical methods, he also understands that the Dark Knight's detective and strategy skills are unmatched on the field. Later, the two would join up with other pioneers of their era, Aquaman, Black Canary, the Flash, Green Lantern, and Martian Manhunter of the Justice League of America, which doubled its membership over the years and became the world's greatest superhero team and defenders of the planet. But this seemingly happy marriage would later wane when Aquaman disbanded the first incarnation of the JLA and demanded that the League function with only full-time members instead of an "available" on call basis. It would be quite a while before Superman rejoined the ranks of the League again.

During his adventures alone, Superman met a mysterious shapeshifting being called Matrix from a pocket universe who would become known as the first Supergirl. This Supergirl brought Superman to her reality, where he would experience what could possibly be the most traumatic experience of his life. When three Kryptonian outlaws from a pocket universe threatened the destruction of Earth, Superman was overwhelmed by his emotional wont to protect his second home from a similar fate to Krypton. So much so, that he became an executioner and killed these three Kryptonians. This experience left Superman emotionally distraught. When the costumed Metropolis vigilante named Gangbuster was paralysed, Superman secretly donned the mask and identity to fight crime in Metropolis using more excessive methods. But when the masquerade was exposed, the already unstable Superman decided to keep the planet safe from himself and acted out a self-imposed exile away from Earth.

During this prolonged period of time in outer space, Superman first came upon the Kryptonian artifact called the Eradicator, which would play several important roles later on in his life. Meanwhile, back on Earth, the shapeshifter Matrix adopted the guise of Clark Kent in Superman's absence. Finally overcoming his inner conflicts and realising that Earth was better with him than without him, Superman returned to Earth. The Eradicator caused much trouble for the Last Son of Krypton, which culminated in its manipulation of Kal-El to denounce his Earth culture and completely embrace his Kryptonian heritage. During this phase, Kal-El donned traditional Kryptonian garb and called himself Krypton Man. But with the assistance of his Earth friends and family, Kal-El found his "true" self once more.

Admitting how much they missed each other during Superman's exile, Clark and Lois become an official couple. But theirs would not be an easy relationship. Clark still felt the need to keep his superhero persona from Lois. Things didn't get much better when a Princess from the planet Almerac, named Maxima, came to Earth to find a worthy spouse. Finding such in Superman, Maxima demanded the two marry and mate. For Superman, whose Kryptonian genes were incompatible with humans to make offspring but compatible with Almerans, it was a tempting offer. But his love for Lois could not be budged. The two are engaged and Clark finally tells Lois about his double life as Superman to further instill his faith in their love.

Their relationship would come to a startling halt when the being called Doomsday made its way into Metropolis. With Supergirl and the JLA defeated and gravely injured, it fell upon Superman to stop the rampaging beast and save the day. Unfortunately, it came at a price... Superman's life. As the Kent's watched the incident on television, Pa Kent was unable to handle the grief and collapsed of a heart attack. Almost immediately, four figures emerged to lay claim as Metropolis' protector: the Eradicator, taking the appearance of Kal-El himself but with energy-based powers; the astronaut Hank Henshaw, who took on a cyborg body and was called Cyborg Superman; a cloned younger body from Superman's genes called Superboy; and the engineer John Henry Irons, the armour-clad superhero called Steel. The Eradicator would recover Superman's body from his tomb, bring it to Superman's Fortress of Solitude in Antarctica, and use it as a conduit for solar energy. Meanwhile, during a near-death experience, Pa Kent and the Lord of Order called Kismet rescued Superman's spirit. The two events led to the eventual return of Superman. It wasn't long before the Cyborg Superman revealed his true nature, his alliance with the intergalactic warlord named Mongul, and their plans to convert Coast City (hometown of then Green Lantern Hal Jordan) into "Engine City." Together, Superman, Superboy, Supergirl, Steel, and the Eradicator defeated the two, but not before Coast City was totally decimated, which is what caused the Green Lantern Hal Jordan to become insane.

While Superman's life returns to "normal," Clark Kent's takes a turn for the worse. Not only does Lois break off their engagement because she feels neglected by Clark's life as Superman, and more importantly thinking of the heartache she experiences should he "die" once more with the dangerous life he leads, but she also takes on the job of foreign correspondent to the Daily Planet to distance herself from him. Meanwhile, the heartbroken Superman stays busy by once more forming a new Justice League of America with his colleagues Batman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, the Flash, Green Lantern, and Aquaman. Fortunately, it wasn't long before Lois returned to Clark's longing arms, and the two soon exchanged marital vows to fortify their union for the rest of their lives.

But Superman is not given a break when the Sun-Eater heads towards Sol (our solar system's sun). Heroes and villains the world over rally together to stop the disaster. Alas, to no avail. The Sun is consumed, and the planet falls into panic. As heroes the world over try to contain the chaos, Superman's powers, which must be replenished with solar energy, begins to wane more and more, until finally completely lost unto him. Even after Hal Jordan sacrifices himself to reignite the Sun, Superman's powers do not return. But with the help of the New Gods of New Genesis, Superman was placed into the core of the Sun, which returned his powers. All was not right, however, when Superman's body soon began exhibiting electrical anomalies and eventually turned into an all-energy construct. To contain this new body, Superman's own nemesis Lex Luthor and S.T.A.R. Labs' Professor Emil Hamilton designed a special suit. It took a while for Superman to adjust to his new energy-based powers. But just as he does, the villainous team-up of the Cyborg and Toyman, in their attempt to destroy the new Superman, surprisingly resulted in a split into two energy beings that would be dubbed Superman Blue, with a more passive and subdued personality, and Superman Red, with a more aggressive and volatile personality. When the two realised of their coexistence, they would first butt heads, but eventually realised that they had to work together if they were to reunite. It took the threat of the Millenium Giants, and the two Supermen's monumental battles against them that followed, for them to merge into the one true, original Superman.

Now with his regained original body and powers, Superman yearned to learn more about his homeworld of Krypton. Opportunity knocked when S.T.A.R. Labs' Professor Hamilton helped him and Lois to travel back in time to a parallel Krypton through the Phantom Zone. There, he sought to get in touch with his Kryptonian heritage and culture. The couple even met with Kal-El's parents Jor-El and Lara. Their visit was not without trouble, however, when the cunning General Zod branded them outlaws. With their public freedom revoked, Kal-El and Lois adopted the guise of Nightwing and Flamebird, legendary heroes of Krypton's distant past. With the help of Jor-El, they were able to defeat Zod and safely return to their rightful place and time.

Superman's archenemy Luthor, in all his wealth and power, felt the only way to go up from his influencial position was to run for the United States presidency. Much to Superman's chagrin, not to mention other heroes', Lex Luthor wins the presidential election. Surprisingly, Clark's friend Pete Ross, now also husband to his first love Lana Lang, accepted to be Luthor's running mate, hence becoming the Vice President. Since then, Luthor and has been using his high seat of power to control the country, and even the world, and has expanded his machinations to burden many other heroes beside Superman. Most recently, the vile leader of the free world manipulated the world into believing that Superman was responsible for a Kryptonian asteroid hurling to Earth. President Luthor enlisted the manpower of many heroes in arresting Superman, who was branded a fugitive. But with the loyal help of Batman, Luthor's corruption was revealed, thus ending his presidency, himself now a known criminal.

Kryptonians do not have superhuman powers by nature on their homeworld of Krypton, which revolved around a dying red sun. Superman's powers come from the Earth's sun still being a yellow one, giving him flight, a high level of invulnerability, superstrength, and superspeed. A superbreath is often used to release strong winds or even freeze. In addition, he has heightened senses. His eyes can also emit a heat beam and are capable of x-ray vision, which is only obstructed by lead and lead-laced objects. He must "recharge" his powers by means of exposure to a yellow sun.

As a reporter, Clark Kent has mastered investigative journalism. Through it, he has significantly developed his detective intellect, which helps in solving cases Superman is faced with. Superman has also adopted a Kryptonian meditation/martial arts style called Torquasm-Vo, which allows him to enter a higher state of consciousness and psychic plane.


APPEARANCES:
A. Bizarro #2
Action Comics #0, 584-686, 689-790, 792-793, 795-
Action Comics Annual #1-2, 4, 7
Adventures of Superman #0, 424-500, 503-
Adventures of Superman Annual #1-2, 4, 7, 9
Animal Man #2
Aquaman (3rd series) #43, 53
Aztek #9
Batman #428-429, 566
The Batman Chronicles #7
Batman: Gotham Knights #27
Batman: Our Worlds at War
Batman: Shadow of the Bat #92
Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman: Trinity #1-3
Batman & Superman: World's Finest #1-12
Bizarro Comics
Booster Gold #16, 23
Captain Atom #25
Challengers of the Unknown v.2 #15
Cosmic Odyssey #1-4
Day of Judgment #1-5
DC Firsts: Superman/Flash #1
DC Firsts: Superman/Lobo #1
DC Universe Holiday Bash
Deathstroke the Terminator #12-13
Detective Comics #756
Doom Patrol (2nd series) #10
Final Night #1-4
The Flash (2nd series) #53
Genesis #1-4
Girlfrenzy! Superman: Lois Lane
Green Arrow (2nd series) #137
Green Arrow (3rd series) #1
Green Lantern (3rd series) #46, 55, 149
Green Lantern: Our Worlds at War
Green Lantern & Superman: Legend of the Green Flame
Hawkman (second series) #10
Harley Quinn #15, 17-19
Hitman #34
Impulse #47
The Incredible Hulk vs. Superman
Invasion! #1-3
Jack Kirby's Fourth World #20
JLA #1-59, 61-68, 70, 72, 74-
JLA 80-Page Giant #1-2
JLA: Black Baptism #1
JLA/JSA: Virtue & Vice
JLA: League of One
JLA: Our Worlds at War
JLA: Secret Files #1
JLA: Seven Caskets
JLA Showcase 80-Page Giant #1
JLA vs. Predator
JLA: Welcome to the Working Week
JLA/Wildcats
JSA #33-37
Justice League America #40, 61-69, 86
Justice League Europe #9
Justice League International #7, 10, 19
Justice League: A Midsummer's Nightmare #1-3
Justice League Spectacular
The Kingdom #1-2
The Legacy of Superman
Legends #1-6
Legends of the DC Universe #1-3, 6, 14, 22-23, 39
Legends of the World's Finest #1-3
Lex Luthor: The Unauthorized Biography
Man of Steel #1-6
Martian Manhunter #8-9
Millenium #1-8
Mystery in Space (2nd series) #1
Nightwing #30
The Power of Shazam! #20, 46
President Luthor: Secret Files and Origins #1
Robin #63
Secret Files and Origins: Guide to the DC Universe 2000
Secret Origins #32
Silver Surfer/Superman
Sins of Youth: Superman Jr. & Superboy Sr.
Sovereign Seven #24
The Spectre (3rd series) #21-22, 62
Starman (1st series) #14, 28, 38
Starman (2nd series) #43
Steel #6-8, 22, 50
Superboy (3rd series) #6-7
Supergirl (4th series) #6, 20, 76
Supergirl (5th series) # 5
Supergirl and Team Luthor
Superman (2nd series) #0-77, 80-
Superman 3D
Superman 80-Page Giant #1-3
Superman/Aliens II: Godwar #1-4
Superman Annual #1-2, 4, 7, 9-12
Superman/Batman #1-
Superman: Birthright #1-12
Superman: Blood of My Ancestors
Superman & Bugs Bunny #1-4
Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey #1-3
Superman: Emperor Joker
Superman: End of the Century
Superman/Fantastic Four
Superman for All Seasons #1-4
Superman for Earth
Superman for the Animals
Superman Forever
Superman Gallery
Superman/Gen 13 #1-3
Superman: King of the World
Superman: Lex 2000
The Superman/Madman Hullabaloo #1-3
Superman: Metropolis #1-12
Superman: Metropolis: Secret Files #1
Superman: Our Worlds at War: Secret Files and Origins #1
Superman: Peace on Earth
Superman Plus
Superman Red/Superman Blue
Superman & Savage Dragon: Chicago
Superman & Savage Dragon: Metropolis
Superman: Save the Planet
Superman: Secret Files and Origins #1-2
Superman: Silver Banshee #1-2
Superman Special
Superman/Tarzan: Sons of the Jungle #1-3
Superman: The 10-Cent Adventure
Superman: The Doomsday Wars #1-3
Superman: The Earth Stealers
Superman: The Kansas Sighting #1-2
Superman: The Last God of Krypton
Superman: The Man of Steel #0-21, 25-134
Superman: The Man of Steel Annual #1, 4, 6
Superman: The Man of Steel Gallery
Superman: The Man of Tomorrow #1-15
Superman: The Odyssey
Superman: The Wedding Album
Superman/Thundercats
Superman/Toyman
Superman: Under a Yellow Sun
Superman vs. Aliens #1-3
Superman vs. Darkseid: Apokolips Now!
Superman vs. Predator #1-3
Superman vs. The Terminator #1-4
Superman: Where is Thy Sting?
Superman: Y2K
Swamp Thing (2nd series) #68, 79
Team Superman
Teen Titans (2nd series) #18-19
Teen Titans (3rd series) #1, 6-7
The Titans #2
War of the Gods #1-4
Wonder Woman (2nd series) #16, 61, 88, 125, 170, 188
The World of Krypton #4
The World of Metropolis #3-4
The World of Smallville #1-4
World's Finest #1-3
World's Finest: Our Worlds at War

Abbatoir
Feb 22, 2004, 01:02 pm
How is Superboy his half-clone? Sorry, but it doesn't make sense.

harlekein
Feb 22, 2004, 01:42 pm
Originally posted by Abbatoir
How is Superboy his half-clone? Sorry, but it doesn't make sense.
Because they only used of his DNA and the other half is from somebody else (rumoured to be Lex Luthor)

Abbatoir
Feb 22, 2004, 02:55 pm
Yeah but if they used any part of his DNA, then it would be his clone, but not half-clone. Sorry, but the term doesn't make sense.

mrhelm
Feb 22, 2004, 05:26 pm
The Superboy clone issue still ****es me off as it should all long term Superboy fans.

Superboy Annual 2 revealed he was a clone of Paul Westfield, former head of Cadmus.

Now the current writers (apparently oblivious of that story) have decided to throw in this half-clone idea to build sales.

Personally, I'm kind of surprised they didn't put Connor Kent as the star of a new "superboy in SMALLVILLE" comic in another attempt to capitalize off the show.

Zachary J. Morrison
Feb 22, 2004, 07:44 pm
Shouldn't his dog, Krypto, be listed along with Jimmy Olsen, Superboy, Steel IV, Batman I, Wonder Woman II? And what about Supergirl?

Zach Kinkead
Feb 22, 2004, 08:09 pm
Originally posted by Abbatoir
Yeah but if they used any part of his DNA, then it would be his clone, but not half-clone. Sorry, but the term doesn't make sense.

I disagree. If Superboy was truly Superman’s clone then they’d have the exact same DNA. As it was the Cadmus scientists had so much trouble figuring out the Kryptonian genome that they had to splice in human DNA*. Because of that they don’t even have the exact same powers let alone the exact same DNA.


*Whose DNA is a matter of debate. Personally I think that it really was Westfield and Luthor is just playing elaborate head games (surely Lex would have foreseen that Robin would want to test the information and Lex almost certainly has the resources to have someone tamper with Tim’s equipment without him knowing)

Al Harahap
Feb 22, 2004, 09:04 pm
Originally posted by Abbatoir
How is Superboy his half-clone? Sorry, but it doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by harlekein
Because they only used of his DNA and the other half is from somebody else (rumoured to be Lex Luthor)

Originally posted by Abbatoir
Yeah but if they used any part of his DNA, then it would be his clone, but not half-clone. Sorry, but the term doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by Zach Kinkead
I disagree. If Superboy was truly Superman’s clone then they’d have the exact same DNA. As it was the Cadmus scientists had so much trouble figuring out the Kryptonian genome that they had to splice in human DNA*. Because of that they don’t even have the exact same powers let alone the exact same DNA.

Ok, looking up Webster's, clone: descendant derived asexually from a single organism; genetically identical duplicate of an organism; a person or thing very much like another.

So pretty much both "clone" and "half-clone" are wrong. "Clone" because he's not derived from just a single organism, nor is he a genetically identical duplicate of anyone. "Half-clone" because, yes, I realise it's a made-up term, but I just didn't know how else to express it better at the time.

Let's also realise that Superboy isn't a possible construct in the first place (at least not yet). Cloning takes all 46 chromosomes from one being and gives them all to the recipient cells. To get 23 from one being and the other 23 from another, such as in invetro fertilisation, it takes a male gamete (sperm) and a female gamete (ova). Genetic splicing of 23 pairs of chromosomes from two same sex humans (which is what the current plot is suggesting) hasn't been done (yet), and we don't know if it's even possible.

So bearing in mind that: 1) Superboy is a work of pure science-fiction (emphasis on the fiction), 2) Superman's male gametes aren't compatible with the male gametes of Luthor or Westfield, 3) (As Zach said) Superman's Kryptonian gametes aren't compatible with human gametes anyway, 4) They live in a world where there are such things as a "boom tube" that can link two points in the whole galaxy, or a "white dwarf star lens" that can shrink people to molecular size... I didn't think that "half-clone" was that much of a stretch.

But ok, I've changed it to a more generalised "genetic recipient." :D

It is a messed-up plot. The best way they could salvage this (at least scientifically; not necessarily creatively) is just by erasing all this half-clone crap and saying Superman is the full genetic donour; OR that Maxima (with her compatible female Almeran gametes) was the other donour. In fact, that would also complement why Superboy has tactile telekinesis. Ooh, theory...

I never wanted to be so geeky. Mama told me there'd be days like this. :~(

Originally posted by phoenx
Shouldn't his dog, Krypto, be listed

Sure.

And what about Supergirl?

Well, the previous Supergirls aren't around anymore, and it's too soon to label the new one as an ally. I mean, she probably will be... but who knows...

Jon Hancock
Feb 22, 2004, 09:31 pm
you might want to mention his Torquasm Vo under the powers section. Possibly the silliest of his powers, it basically allows him to fight on a kind of astral plane. there's people in the Danger Room who could tell you more.

Zach Kinkead
Feb 22, 2004, 09:56 pm
Originally posted by Al Harahap
Ok, looking up Webster's, clone: descendant derived asexually from a single organism; genetically identical duplicate of an organism; a person or thing very much like another.

So pretty much both &quot;clone&quot; and &quot;half-clone&quot; are wrong. &quot;Clone&quot; because he's not derived from just a single organism, nor is he a genetically identical duplicate of anyone. &quot;Half-clone&quot; because, yes, I realise it's a made-up term, but I just didn't know how else to express it better at the time.

Yeah, that’s why I don’t see Kon-El as Kal-El’s clone or half-clone. I think calling him Kal’s “son” is almost more applicable (though that puts a mental image in my head that I’d rather not have ;))..

Let's also realise that Superboy isn't a possible construct in the first place (at least not yet). Cloning takes all 46 chromosomes from one being and gives them all to the recipient cells. To get 23 from one being and the other 23 from another, such as in invetro fertilisation, it takes a male gamete (sperm) and a female gamete (ova). Genetic splicing of 23 pairs of chromosomes from two same sex humans (which is what the current plot is suggesting) hasn't been done (yet), and we don't know if it's even possible.

Yes but superhero comics are works of science fiction so I have no problem with them accomplishing something that’s presumably impossible. Yeah, I’m aware that you said pretty much the same thing in you next paragraph but I didn’t feel like just quoting you again and saying “I agree” ;)

It is a messed-up plot. The best way they could salvage this (at least scientifically; not necessarily creatively) is just by erasing all this half-clone crap and saying Superman is the full genetic donour; OR that Maxima (with her compatible female Almeran gametes) was the other donour. In fact, that would also complement why Superboy has tactile telekinesis. Ooh, theory...

Now that’s an interesting theory. Actually I’d assume that, given Maxima’s constant [Warning: bad pun ahead] interstellar manhunt, Almeran gametes are compatible with a lot of different species including humans (then again I’m not sure her once-potential mate, Captain Atom, is all that similar to a normal human anymore).

Eh, maybe we ought to wait until the Superboy/Kon-El/Conner Kent bio is up before we continue this discussion.

Al Harahap
Feb 22, 2004, 10:02 pm
Originally posted by Jonberg
you might want to mention his Torquasm Vo under the powers section. Possibly the silliest of his powers, it basically allows him to fight on a kind of astral plane. there's people in the Danger Room who could tell you more.

Yes, it is silly... I think I blocked it out... I've put it in the skills section though, as it's not inherent to Kryptonians, as seen when Lois used it too.

Zachary J. Morrison
Feb 22, 2004, 10:09 pm
According to the Teen Titans universe, Superboy is supposely cloned from the World's Greatest Hero, Superman, and the World's Greatest Supervillain, who is Lex Luthor. Kon-El, or referred to as Connor, is afraid he'll turn into a bad guy like Lex Luthor.

Zach Kinkead
Feb 22, 2004, 10:43 pm
Originally posted by phoenx
According to the Teen Titans universe, Superboy is supposely cloned from the World's Greatest Hero, Superman, and the World's Greatest Supervillain, who is Lex Luthor. Kon-El, or referred to as Connor, is afraid he'll turn into a bad guy like Lex Luthor.

As Mrhelm said, that contradicts past history. It might turn out to be true but it also might just be another case of Lex playing head games with people.

Zachary J. Morrison
Feb 22, 2004, 11:51 pm
I see.

Mesran
Feb 23, 2004, 03:26 am
Nice bio...why is the evil father-in-law always a General? :?

Now...get crackin on Batman ;)

ToddCam
Feb 23, 2004, 05:06 am
I disagree with Clark Kent being an alias. It's his other real name.

Superman also appeared in the Girlfrenzy! Superman: Lois Lane.

Mesran
Feb 23, 2004, 05:15 am
Originally posted by ToddCam
I disagree with Clark Kent being an alias. It's his other real name.

Superman also appeared in the Girlfrenzy! Superman: Lois Lane.

He was born Kal-El...the name Clark Kent was given days (or months) after his birth...therefore it qualifies as an alias.

Abbatoir
Feb 23, 2004, 05:33 pm
Possibly even years. According to Smallville, he was around three when the Kents found him.
However, Smallville is set in an alternate universe...
(I know3 I'm gonna get contradicted for that...)

DCUnited
Feb 23, 2004, 07:11 pm
Isn't Pete Ross the <i>vice</i> president of the U.S.?

Zach Kinkead
Feb 23, 2004, 07:14 pm
Originally posted by DCUnited
Isn't Pete Ross the &lt;i&gt;vice&lt;/i&gt; president of the U.S.?

He was.

roman
Feb 23, 2004, 07:36 pm
Hey guys Robin stated at the end of Teen Titans #6 that he tested superboy's hair and it came up positive for both superman and lex luthor's dna so i don't think its luthor just messing with peoples hair...but i could be wrong

Zach Kinkead
Feb 23, 2004, 08:16 pm
I’m aware of that issue. Lex has resources at his disposal that could enable him to have Robin’s equipment or tampered with (or have Tim’s sample of his DNA swapped with Westfield’s)

Al Harahap
Feb 23, 2004, 08:35 pm
Originally posted by DCUnited
Isn't Pete Ross the &lt;i&gt;vice&lt;/i&gt; president of the U.S.?

Superman/Batman #6 had Luthor kicked out of office, and Aquaman #15 confirmed Pete Ross as President.

Jon Hancock
Feb 23, 2004, 10:33 pm
bet luthor's still more popular that carter or nixon though.

harlekein
Feb 24, 2004, 02:17 pm
Originally posted by Mad Manfred


He was born Kal-El...the name Clark Kent was given days (or months) after his birth...therefore it qualifies as an alias.
I assume Clark would have a birth certificate, therefore his Earth real name would be Clark Kent.

Qubic
Feb 24, 2004, 04:34 pm
What about the alias Nightwing (or Firebird, which ever one he was), I'm assuming that it won't be considered because that is pre-crisis but just wanted to make sure.

Mesran
Feb 25, 2004, 07:33 am
Originally posted by harlekein

I assume Clark would have a birth certificate, therefore his Earth real name would be Clark Kent.

So...hypothetical situation...

I was born, lets just say my parents where Mr and Mrs Fitswell. They name me Richard. I don't have a birth certificate and they place me into adoption. Somewhere along the lines paperwork gets misplaced and my name is forgotten. A new family adopts me and renames me Iain Peter Freely, birth certificate and all. Whats my name? Richard Fitswell or Iain Peter Freely?

Work with me here, I'm bored.

But really...he was BORN Kal-El, he was LATER named Clark Kent. Open and shut IMO.

Jon Hancock
Feb 25, 2004, 09:25 am
The naming is obvious. Just like J'onn J'onnz calls himself John Jones. Clark Kent is an alter ego, an alias, not his real name. Sure he's said at times that the Clark side is really him but by that Supes means his role and relationships, not his name.

Jon Hancock
Mar 2, 2004, 05:12 pm
Dunno if you want to put him up but Match was Kon-el's clone and thus should be a relative of Supes.

Shouldn't he???

Al Harahap
Mar 3, 2004, 03:46 am
Originally posted by Jonberg
Dunno if you want to put him up but Match was Kon-el's clone and thus should be a relative of Supes.

Shouldn't he???

Sure. If Stryfe's listed as Jean Grey's relative, why not... Thanks.

Jon Hancock
Mar 4, 2004, 01:22 pm
and not to beat a dead horse any more but bizzarro is his clone too isn't he?

Wolverine
Mar 7, 2004, 08:48 am
Shouldn't Man of Steel 1 be listed as the first appearence of his modern incartaion?

Al Harahap
Mar 7, 2004, 09:16 am
Originally posted by Wolverine
Shouldn't Man of Steel 1 be listed as the first appearence of his modern incartaion?

Unless we get a lot of requests to distinguish their true first appearances and their modern first appearances, I'd really like to keep it as simple as possible so the bios are more accessible.

Al Harahap
Mar 10, 2004, 08:42 am
Originally posted by Qubic
What about the alias Nightwing (or Firebird, which ever one he was), I'm assuming that it won't be considered because that is pre-crisis but just wanted to make sure.

It turns out the post-crisis Nightwing and Flamebird personae were a significant (albeit very short) plot point too, so they've been included. :)

Wolverine
May 13, 2004, 10:25 am
Superman Appeared in Action comics 1-584 and also in action comics 800

Jon Hancock
May 13, 2004, 04:31 pm
I'm almost certain Al's not put those in the checklist because they're not actually appearances by Superman but Pre Crisis Superman. He's clever like that and filters them out. Me, I just stick them all in willy nilly.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 2, 2005, 04:24 am
not sure how relevant this might be...or even how true, since the memory is vague...but i recall reading somewhere years ago that had Krypton not been destroyed, Kal El would have been called upon as the Green Lantern of Krypton. (i know this got referenced at one point during Morrison's JLA run, but i remember reading about this before that happened). anyone know anything to help a brotha out?

Jon Hancock
Feb 2, 2005, 10:13 pm
I'm pretty certain that this was an Elseworld. My best advice would be to check the superman homepage (just search superman homepage in google)

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 2, 2005, 11:19 pm
it may have been like an imaginary story from the Silver Age, too...not sure if that still counts post-Crisis. still, i think it's a really cool idea.

Jon Hancock
Feb 2, 2005, 11:21 pm
I kinda remember something like that too Jordan. Problem with Supes' origin is it is always in flux. Especially with Birthright being released recently. I'd say it's an Elseworld.

Wolverine
Feb 2, 2005, 11:56 pm
was in green lantern 3rd series 53

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 3, 2005, 04:28 am
okay...good. so i'm not insane then? at least, not on this matter? ;)

Jon Hancock
Feb 3, 2005, 10:42 am
Jury's out :)

(and there I've opened a gap wide enough for a truck full of plugs for your troupe. I'm so generous :))

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 3, 2005, 02:19 pm
except for the fact my troupe broke up over a year ago. thanks for the thought though (although we're starting a new sketch troupe, tentatively titled Carnie Knowledge or *may cause birth defects. fingers crossed there).

oh, and it's been brought to my attention that Wolverine was not in fact referring to our discussion, but merely to a Superman appearance. so i withdraw my response to him. :p

DrNick201
Jul 17, 2006, 12:56 pm
also appeared in
52 Week 1
Infinite Crisis #1, 3, 5-7
Outsiders #38, 39