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Brian Wilkinson
Mar 16, 2002, 05:31 pm
<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/covers/xtxmen011.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/covers/xtxmen011t.jpg" align=left alt="X-Treme X-Men #11"></a>Reviewer: Brian E. Wilkinson, bewilkinson@yahoo.ca
Quick Rating: Average
Story Title: Beachhead!

The X-Treme Team does their best to survive an Invasion from Dimension X!!

Written by: Chris Claremont
Art by: Salvador Larroca
Lettered by: Tom Orzechowski
Colored by: Liquid!
Assistant Editor: Lynne Yoshii
Editor: Andrew Lis
Editor-In-Chief: Joe Quesada
President: Bill Jemas

Chris Claremont has long been one of my favorite writers. His characters are insightful and real, his stories rich and compelling, and his fan base is arguably one of the largest in the world. X-Treme X-Men, in only it’s handful of issues, has quickly become one of the most memorable x-titles in years and it’s all due to the incredible team of Claremont and artist Salvador Larroca.

All of that being said, it’s a shame that issue #11 kind of dropped the ball.

The reasons I take this view are largely due to a lot of minor mistakes or rough plot points that all add up to a rather disappointing issue. Nothing truly memorable takes place, the character development is next to non-existent, and the overall plot could have been summed up in an extra two pages at the end of the last issue or at the beginning of the next.

At the end of issue #10 we saw an imprisoned Gambit forced to act as the power source to a portal that allowed a group of alien invaders from Dimension X to come to our world. A brief scuffle between the invaders and the X-Men forced the team to abandon Gambit but at least they had a prisoner in their midst. What the team did not realize, however, was that the random soldier they captured was actually Khan, the leader of the invasion and ruler of the alien species. The X-Men, with the aid of Viper and newly ‘made’ mutant, Davis Cameron, manage to survive the encounter with Shaitan (one of the lead invaders) and wisely decide to retreat in order to plan a better strategy. Okay, sounds like a good set-up and gets the reader ready for more action and development in the next issue. Only none of this really happened.

What readers got instead was a well-drawn re-cap of the events of last issue coupled with a few action sequences of helicopters being blown up. This is, of course, an over-simplification of what actually transpired, but by and large nothing really happened. What DID happen was, to be honest, confusing and a bit sloppy. For one, Red Lotus (last seen in the previous arc) is suddenly with the team. Yet last issue, he was not transported with the rest of the team (nor was he present at all) to Madripoor, nor was his sudden appearance explained at any point during this issue. One could imagine that Davis (abruptly given the codename ‘Slipstream’) could have teleported him to the island, but that would take a panel to explain. At any rate, I am pleased to see Red Lotus return though it makes me wonder if he’s been made an official member of the team. Considering (as far as I know) that he lacks any mutant power, Red Lotus could be the long-rumoured non-mutant member of the team. I’m definitely curious to see what plans Claremont has in store for him.

I am glad to see Claremont using Viper in the pages of X-Treme X-Men, even if she is a psychopathic and bloodthirsty villain. The last time Claremont wrote her was during a quick arc for Wolverine a couple of years ago where the unfortunate hero had to marry her in order to fulfill a promise he made years ago to a woman he loved. Though Viper’s presence in these pages has nothing to do with Wolverine, it shows that Claremont is aware of what the x-canon of characters are up to and where they are currently located. In this case, Viper is one of the ruling caste of Madripoor who takes personally offence to the fact that her city is being used as a landing point for an invasion.

I was also pleased to see the Avengers pop up in the book. While their appearance was not wholly necessary and mainly served to inform the reader about the current situation our heroes find themselves in, it’s nice to see that other characters from the Marvel Universe making their presence known in other titles, even if it’s only a brief one. It’s too bad that both Iron Man and The Vision (two of my favorite Avengers) were kind of hidden in the picture due to either chairs or the downward angle that Larroca had used in this panel.

Sadly, some of the confusion in either the writing or printing of this issue has extended to artist Salvador Larroca. Though we get Larroca’s brilliant artwork, a few of the panels (in particular the panel showing Red Lotus’ failed attempt to divert the massive Shaitan) fail to properly convey what is going on. Usually the dialogue/narration would clear up any confusion, but the description given by Claremont is as vague as Larroca’s art. At least Larroca makes up for the few moments of confusion by providing strong character images, emotions, and his beautifully rendered backgrounds.

There are a lot of things that this issue could have used to explore in the few moments of ‘down-time’ that it had. The main one I wanted to see was the continued debate over making Davis into a mutant. I’d really like to see the X-Men bring to light the moral and philosophical questions that this raises over what it means to be a mutant, and in particular a member of the X-Men. Is Davis only valuable to the team as a mutant? Did Sage have the right to do what she did? Should Davis have been given the option in the first place? All of these are very interesting questions and I’d like to see the team, divided or not, discuss these issues. Maybe once they get a bit of a breather, I suppose.

The next major part of the story included the X-Men fighting both the Dimension X aliens and Viper’s brutality in dealing with their captors. What followed was almost a repeat of the encounter between Shaitan and the X-Men in the previous issue, followed by Khan (remember him? The alien leader) declaring that because of her courage, strength, and the way that she saved his life, that Storm is to become his queen.

So really, this issue boils down to the X-Men kind of fighting the alien invaders, Gambit is still imprisoned, Davis is given a codename, Red Lotus can appear out of thin air, and Storm is about to have problems with yet another stalker. No disrespect meant to Mr. Claremont, as I’ve said time and again that this is the best of the X-Men series currently being produced, but this issue could have been wrapped up in less than four pages. This isn’t to say that it isn’t without its good points or that it is lacking in art quality, but rather that it feels like an unnecessary use of space.

Have no fears, though, loyal readers, as Claremont has been writing some of the best comics for over thirty years (and the X-Men themselves for more than twenty) so I’m sure next issue will clear up any confusion and continue to impress fans and critics alike. Not everything that comes from a garden is a rose.

{I may be nitpicking, but how else would you waste five minutes reading this review?}

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Stormfreak
Mar 16, 2002, 06:34 pm
Great review, B, and brutally honest! (Not to mention well-written!)

stormwatch
Mar 16, 2002, 07:08 pm
I concur Brian, brutally honest but hopeful. what else can you say.

I gotta agree with Stormfreak,

and this issue was weird enough. (This coming from an actor)

But great review, really well thought out, you spent some time crafting it, quite well too.

Andy James
Mar 16, 2002, 07:09 pm
like brian said this was ok but poor but compared to the standards that x treme has made in 10 short months. the story seemed sloppy and more of a recap than anything actualy happening. i can forgive the red lotus appearance after al this is only a comic book so errors arnt the end of the world, anyway like brian said slipstream could have teleported him in off panel.
good ish just not as good as usual
i d give it 3/5

wunkier
Mar 16, 2002, 09:51 pm
I totally agree with this review, except brian made an error when discussing the newsie business. CC/Rogue was not referring to davis with this comment, but Shanna Cho, the newswoman (hence "newsie"), who was the last person to speak in the previous panel. Guess CC's not the only one who can make a mistake, eh?

spinarakboi
Mar 16, 2002, 09:54 pm
Before CC varified that it was a mix up, I just assumed that he was Red Lotus had some things to take care of and was planning to meet them there (and was there) when the invasion started. Ahh well. It was a breather issue, and Storm shinned so it's good enough.

Plagioclase
Mar 16, 2002, 10:19 pm
I wasn't surprised by any of the mistakes. After all, they've been appearing with some frequency throughout the entire run of this title. I agree with wunkier about "newsie" referring to Cho. That's how I interpretted it, although why Rogue would choose "newsie" to describe her is beyond me. Do they use "newsie" much down South?

Overall, I thought that the issue was mismanaged spacially as well. What I did like were the scenes with Viper, Storm and Khan, such as the last three pages of the book. The characterization there was good. Everything else wasn't.

The art was confusing toward the end. The scene with Shaitan falling through several floors and ceilings was unapproachable from the reader's standpoint.

On an aside, and regarding "Slipstream," I recently read an article in an old Wizard magazine with a quote from Claremont about the nature of Sage's powers:

If you find someone who is a mutant, Sage could bring their power into being temporarily,* so you could see whether it's a good thing or a bad thing and deal with it accordingly.

Has anyone else mentioned this quote before? Could Slipstream be a "temporary" mutant?

*The italics are my own.

Brian Wilkinson
Mar 16, 2002, 10:29 pm
I re-read that part of the issue dealing with the 'newsie' aspect. I agree that the panel could be taken that way, but you understand the confusion with Rogue and Davis taking cover that it seemed likely she was referring to him as a 'newbie' as they often do this throughout the series.



Good catch, though. Not even us reviewers are perfect!

Brian Wilkinson
Mar 16, 2002, 10:30 pm
interesting theory about the temporary mutant as well...

Still, I wonder what the ramifications of this could mean for davis... or for Beast? Could their new 'powers' shut off and would it happen at the worst possible moment? YOu never know when it comes to the X-Men.

Plagioclase
Mar 16, 2002, 10:47 pm
Originally posted by Brian E. Wilkinson
I'm going to leave the review unedited as I believe it still holds up to part of the confusion I felt reading this issue.

Of course. I agree that, whatever Rogue was trying to say, there's still something fishy about the way she said it.

Still, I wonder what the ramifications of this could mean for davis... or for Beast? Could their new 'powers' shut off and would it happen at the worst possible moment? YOu never know when it comes to the X-Men.

For Davis, yeah, but I think Beast's situation was different. Sage had no part in the activation of his new mutation. From what I understand, she only foresaw it. In the issue where she's with him in the hospital, he left still in the guise of his "Old Beast" self.

Brian Wilkinson
Mar 17, 2002, 02:20 pm
it's kind of a mixed bag of what happened there... half of it was his 'potential' which he may or may not have reached had she not activated it. It took a little bit of time, but Sage was the catalyst for the mutation.

Deus Ex Chris
Mar 17, 2002, 02:38 pm
Originally posted by Brian E. Wilkinson
it's kind of a mixed bag of what happened there... half of it was his 'potential' which he may or may not have reached had she not activated it. It took a little bit of time, but Sage was the catalyst for the mutation.

My interpretation was that Sage just sped up the mutation process or something. I think it would have happened without Sage's intervention, especially considering that Sage probably has nothing to do with Morrison's vision for Hank.

As for the review, it was nicely done, but I'm shocked. I thought this was one of the best issues in this series, primarily because there was no single character focus or real internal conflict. This issue was about stopping the bad guys. It really is nice to have one of those once-in-awhile.

Plagioclase
Mar 17, 2002, 05:35 pm
Originally posted by Chris Cool
I think it would have happened without Sage's intervention, especially considering that Sage probably has nothing to do with Morrison's vision for Hank.

Exactly. And if you consider the White Queen's mutation, which Morrison likens to the Beast's mutation, you find that Sage had nothing at all to do with that one.

Brian Wilkinson
Mar 18, 2002, 01:52 am
Interesting point... but who can tell for sure when it comes to comics?

As for this issue, I enjoy it in the way that I usually enjoy all X-Men comics. It just wasn't, IN MY OPINION, up to the usual standards.

Still better than... *cough* cas... *cough* ey *cough*

thespawn
Mar 18, 2002, 05:38 am
Great review, very accurate, by giving X-treme a low score, you've just thrown away your popularity. Bold move. (no, i''m not being sarcastic, it's a good review)

Brian Wilkinson
Mar 18, 2002, 12:32 pm
?

I was popular?!? and if I was, why am I popular for giving good scores? Do you understand the CONCEPT of reviewing? I'm not paid for what I do (and even if I was) my job is to honestly review these books, not kiss up to Marvel.

Besides, I TALK to the creators of the books I review, and while they don't LOVE getting lower reviews, they are often understanding as to why it might get a low one.

If you read the review, I'm very positive towards Claremont and Larroca and mention good points along with the bad. I am a HUGE fan of this series, but I don't have to love EVERY issue.

Popular? Moi?

:magneto:

Monolith
Mar 18, 2002, 02:00 pm
Originally posted by Brian E. Wilkinson
If you read the review, I'm very positive towards Claremont and Larroca and mention good points along with the bad. I am a HUGE fan of this series, but I don't have to love EVERY issue.

I've seen some debate about that....;)

Anyway, I thought this issue was rather poor. It was just filler material piled on top of filler material. The extended newsie scene, the appearance by the Avengers, it all just felt like Claremont was trying to make 3 pages of story into 30. It seems Kahn is joining the ranks of "super-villians" who want Storm as their queen: Doom, Loki, Dracula, possibly Vargas....who says CC NEVER repeats a concept? :rolleyes: What? No one is interested in deep fried southern, baywatch babe, or living computer anymore?

FabioX
Mar 18, 2002, 04:14 pm
Good and honest rewiew Brian!! My compliments.
Even the Best Ones like Claremont & Larroca sometimes have a slip ..... ;) ... what's important is that next issue will be a hell of fun action, adventure and great plot twists. :)

stormwatch
Mar 18, 2002, 06:10 pm
Originally posted by Monolith


I've seen some debate about that....;)

Anyway, I thought this issue was rather poor. It was just filler material piled on top of filler material. The extended newsie scene, the appearance by the Avengers, it all just felt like Claremont was trying to make 3 pages of story into 30. It seems Kahn is joining the ranks of "super-villians" who want Storm as their queen: Doom, Loki, Dracula, possibly Vargas....who says CC NEVER repeats a concept? :rolleyes: What? No one is interested in deep fried southern, baywatch babe, or living computer anymore?

Deed fried southern, Shadow King
baywatch babe, not yet
living computer, Black King, she is one of only two he has loved, your choice on that.
Storm, Brainchild, Khan, these have to be recent right, well only two for one year, why not.

Monolith
Mar 18, 2002, 06:57 pm
Originally posted by stormwatch82
Deed fried southern, Shadow King
baywatch babe, not yet
living computer, Black King, she is one of only two he has loved, your choice on that.

Shadow King didn't profess to LOVE Rogue; he just needed her to free him from the psychic prison. Shaw said that Tessa was one of two he had ever TRUSTED, not loved. Neither is the same thing as "be my queen!", which Storm's gets far too often.

thespawn
Mar 18, 2002, 07:02 pm
?

I was popular?!? and if I was, why am I popular for giving good scores? Do you understand the CONCEPT of reviewing? I'm not paid for what I do (and even if I was) my job is to honestly review these books, not kiss up to Marvel.

Besides, I TALK to the creators of the books I review, and while they don't LOVE getting lower reviews, they are often understanding as to why it might get a low one.

If you read the review, I'm very positive towards Claremont and Larroca and mention good points along with the bad. I am a HUGE fan of this series, but I don't have to love EVERY issue.

Popular? Moi?


ok, not popular, my mistake, but hated, toward some if not all X-Treme fans, since there's a huge portion of them, as I know what they're like, they grab you across your throat and suffocate you. They do that to anyone who talks vile about the book.

(talking to someone else) what, i didn't say anything about it, no, what are you doing, arrrggggghh!!!!

stormwatch
Mar 18, 2002, 07:08 pm
Originally posted by Monolith


Shadow King didn't profess to LOVE Rogue; he just needed her to free him from the psychic prison. Shaw said that Tessa was one of two he had ever TRUSTED, not loved. Neither is the same thing as "be my queen!", which Storm's gets far too often.

Okay, true, true, but
there was still the intimate attachment, that all three have in common with their foe. Sage's is probably the most, and no, he didn't say his Quenn, nor did he profess his love, only trusted. But they were intimate, and he might think that he did love her in some other way, father/daughter, boss/employee, or whatever. The thing with all three is they don't ask and just take, by force if necessary, and marriage isn't always about love. Rogue would still be a Queen, Sage, maybe, that is debatable. And KHAN, well he DIDN'T profess his love either.

So they are more similair examples than not. Khan didn't sat I love you, wanna be my Queen, neither did Shadow King, Black King, was the closest to love. And that might not have been a queenship. But Rogue, only that he did need her for the destroying the psychic need, Khan and Sebastian both needed Storm and Sage too.

ShaggyDiz
Mar 18, 2002, 07:36 pm
Well at least I'm not alone in not liking this book (even if it's for just one lousy month).

I have some major qualms with the art. Yes it looks pretty, but seriously, art isn't good if you don't know what's happening in it. Half of the time was spent trying to decipher whatever action was taking place. Which brings me to my ever present point.

Get someone inking this book. At least, if not that, then the colors have to be somehow adjusted. A lot of the art looks to be lines with water colors.

I think everything else was touched on: bland dialogue, reemergence of characters/corny names for others (Slipstream? Someone through me a bone here!), and Storm being chosen AGAIN to be a "great leader's" queen.

Jeez. I still don't like this book. At least it's better than Wolverine.

Peace.

Ben Hutton
Mar 18, 2002, 09:04 pm
The Queen thing made me want to scream. I think Ororo's secondary mutation has always been to make men fall irrationally in love with her, in ridiculously short spaces of time.

Zachary Palisoc
Mar 18, 2002, 09:22 pm
Originally posted by Ben Hutton
The Queen thing made me want to scream. I think Ororo's secondary mutation has always been to make men fall irrationally in love with her, in ridiculously short spaces of time.

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Deus Ex Chris
Mar 18, 2002, 10:46 pm
Originally posted by thespawn


ok, not popular, my mistake, but hated, toward some if not all X-Treme fans, since there's a huge portion of them, as I know what they're like, they grab you across your throat and suffocate you. They do that to anyone who talks vile about the book.


If you are getting this kind of treatment, it probably has more to do with HOW you present your opinion, not your opinion itself.

Anyways, I guess I am the ONLY person who thoroughly enjoyed this issue. Man, I am such an odd ball. :crazy:

Zachary Palisoc
Mar 18, 2002, 10:50 pm
Originally posted by Chris Cool


If you are getting this kind of treatment, it probably has more to do with HOW you present your opinion, not your opinion itself.

Anyways, I guess I am the ONLY person who thoroughly enjoyed this issue. Man, I am such an odd ball. :crazy:

I enjoyed it too. Just not vocal about it. :)

darkelf63
Mar 18, 2002, 11:27 pm
Great Review it summed up what I thought about the issue...
The recycling of the villain falling for storm was Very annoying ( and I''m a Storm fan)
I still love Laroca's art though....

On Rogue's term of "newsie" could it have been someone's else personality dominant at the time? "Newsie" seems such an archaic term,,,

tormented_spawn
Mar 19, 2002, 05:44 am
great review, top notch, bravo.

Michael Fisch
Mar 19, 2002, 03:49 pm
Good review, though I thought the 2 story rating was a bit harsh. Though not much happened, there was still a lot to like. Storm punching out Viper, for one. Also, Storm's lines like "Bishop, clean up my sky" were a nice touch. With this attitude, its not a surprise that everyone sees her as a queen.

I didn't like Red Lotus' presence, mostly because there seemed to be no point to him being there. I would like to see Slipstream do more, though.

Brian Wilkinson
Mar 21, 2002, 02:02 am
While there were several 'nice touches' included in this issue, the overall story element was sorely lacking. The moments you've mentioned take up such a brief amount of space that they could still be 'nice touches' but in a better story space.

As for Slipstream, who knows what he can do? I don't think even he himself knows. How either he or Lifeguard have that much control over their 'new' powers is completely beyond me. But it's comics, so I just suspend disbelief and take it on the chin.

Much more enjoyable that way. And you don't get bogged down in details such as 'eye colour'.

Stormfreak
Mar 21, 2002, 02:15 am
Originally posted by Ben Hutton
The Queen thing made me want to scream. I think Ororo's secondary mutation has always been to make men fall irrationally in love with her, in ridiculously short spaces of time.

So that's it. It had to be something. Because it's not normal to have about eight bad guys fall in love with you. :rolleyes:

Personally I think the bad guys are keeping a black book and Storm's name is getting passed around like a 40 oz.

Brian Wilkinson
Mar 21, 2002, 02:31 am
I just think you're just jealous, Jenn.

:storm: & her stalkers.... the new mini-series!!

Stormfreak
Mar 21, 2002, 03:08 am
Originally posted by Brian E. Wilkinson
I just think you're just jealous, Jenn.

I still have you, B. And me and my bf broke up...AGAIN. So as soon as you and Ol' Girl hit the skids, you know who to call. :}

:storm: & her stalkers.... the new mini-series!!

PLEASE! More like "The Never-Ending Story!" GAG!

Brian Wilkinson
Mar 21, 2002, 03:54 am
*blushes*


It's nice to be wanted! AND... AND!!! I have a cute rear end as well. Isnt that special?

Stormfreak
Mar 21, 2002, 04:23 am
Definitely worth mentioning in your siggy. :yes: And since your Sexiest Reviewer ribbon was stolen, I award you Best Tushie.

nightcrawler
Mar 22, 2002, 09:32 am
Sadly, some of the confusion in either the writing or printing of this issue has extended to artist Salvador Larroca. Though we get Larroca’s brilliant artwork, a few of the panels (in particular the panel showing Red Lotus’ failed attempt to divert the massive Shaitan) fail to properly convey what is going on. Usually the dialogue/narration would clear up any confusion, but the description given by Claremont is as vague as Larroca’s art. At least Larroca makes up for the few moments of confusion by providing strong character images, emotions, and his beautifully rendered backgrounds.

I agree totally, I've noticed this problem in a couple of issues. Thankfully these boards are able to clear up some confusing panels.

Omar A. Safi
Mar 27, 2002, 02:25 am
Could anyone give me some reasons to collect X-Treme X-Men? So far, I've picked up issues #1, #8, and #10. I'm still not hooked. The artwork is excellent. I enjoyed the part in #10 where the team debated over if Davis should activate his latent mutant powers. I liked what Rogue and Bishop were thinking and it made for good characterization. Although, I think it's a little "wordy" which isn't always bad but most of the writing was in captions and not character speech. I didn't enjoy the issue enough to really get hooked. Does anyone know of any good future plans? I've read mixed reviews freqeuntly for this title so I don't think I'll still pick it up.

lightstar
Apr 3, 2002, 12:31 am
I think Extreme X-men is one of the best books out there until issue #11. I forgave the sudden appearance of Red Lotus. I let slide the whole Slipstream incident but Khan declaring Storm his Queen. Jeez!! I will forgive Claremont if Khan is one of those rulers who proclaims someone his queen, does his thing and then kills them later. At least that would make sense!

jono
Apr 3, 2002, 02:29 am
This is a bit off topic but, why did Claremount take the time to introduce three new characters (Red Lotus, Slipstream and Lifeguard) when he's barely developed the character of Thunderbird at all! I mean, this book is becoming bloated with two-dimensional characters! You can't tell any of their personalities apart from one another! They're just a bunch of do-gooders with absolutely no real friction between them.

And I know this sounds like I hate X-Treme but the title has had some good moments, especially in the beginning, and the action was really good but the lack of distinctive characterization and the fact that Claremount keeps adding flat heroes and villains with poorly defined powers and motives is really irritating.

I'm also a little upset with how vague his descriptions of Destiny's diaries are. I mean, he stretches them to encompass any plot he feels like writing that month, which tends to rob them of the original intrigue they had when Alan Davis introduced them. If he keeps on stringing out the storyline everyone is going to lose interest.

Just my opinion, didn't mean to offen any X-Treme fans, but this book had potential and it is losing it fast...

Merlin
Apr 4, 2002, 12:37 am
About the current arc in X-treme #10 we see view Destiny's dairies and I think that it's deathbird that I see and also it talks about an Aerie. Then in # 11 Khans people turn into skrulls?? (right?). So my theory is that the Xtreme X-men are just fighting Deathbird and some skrulls who have joined up with her. and then hopefully her and bishop will mett and fall in love. Nuff said.

Freezerburn
Apr 4, 2002, 04:38 pm
Continuity? We don't need no stinkin' continuity!