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Al Harahap
Feb 7, 2005, 06:31 am
<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/Top70DCCharacters.jpg" align=left border=0 alt="Top 70 DC Characters">Part 1: #70-51

By: Nick Costanzo, Raul Grau, Jon Hancock, Al Harahap, Matt Lazorwitz, Jordan T. Maxwell, and Dylan McKay
Comptroller: Jon Hancock
Editor: Al Harahap

Comic creators come and go. Comic stories come and go. But, whether or not we like to admit it, one thing can get fans going -- CHARACTERS. Many times, even despite the creators and stories attached. Such is the drawing power of comic book characters. For DC Comics, especially, the appeal comes from a diverse range of characters from the classic to the innovative, from the realistic to the fantastic to the downright freaky.

Why, in this installment alone, we have a fairytale princess, a businessman who turned superheroics into an enterprise, and the last man on Earth. And if that's not enough, there's the biggest dork alive, a comic book creator, and the spirit of vengeance himself.

ComiX-Fan's staff have chosen the best of the best for the Top 70 DC Characters of All Time. Without further ado, we submit to you #70-51:


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#70 Lobo

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/70.jpg" align=left alt="Lobo">First Appearance: Omega Men #3
Created by: Roger Slifer and Keith Giffen

Lobo began as a send-off of Deathstroke, the Punisher, Wolverine, and all the archetypical anti-hero characters of the 70s and 80s. It might also sound familiar that Lobo is the last surviving member of his race. But, unlike a certain Kryptonian, Lobo was the one who actually committed genocide on his whole race and planet Czarnia by creating a new deadly insect species to wipe them all out -- just to be unique throughout the whole universe. Such is Lobo. With highly attuned tracking skills, virtual invulnerability and, because neither Heaven nor Hell wants him, his immortality, Lobo started out as a recurring bounty hunter character throughout spacefaring DC stories, which were appropriate grounds for the grand scales of his hijinks that didn't have to touch Earthbound stories. With his much-exaggerated and over-the-top acts of violence, including assassinating Santa Claus for his popularity rival the Easter Bunny, along with inventing euphimistic terms like "bastich" and "fraggin'" to replace English expletives that would otherwise be censored by the Comics Code Authority, Lobo has become a cult favourite among comic readers and even earned his own solo series. Ironically, Lobo's success comes from being a hyperbole of anti-heroes that dares to go all the way with little regard to that commercial success itself. As Lobo himself would say, "FRAG THAT!"

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#69 Flex Mentallo

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/69.jpg" align=left alt="Lobo">First Appearance: Doom Patrol Vol. 2 #35
Created by: Grant Morrison and Richard Case

Despite simplistic appearances, Flex Mentallo is quite possibly the most complex character in comic books. But this is as much an entry for Grant Morrison as a writer, because to separate him from Flex Mentallo is to separate Plato from his Apology or Jimi Hendrix from his Voodoo Stratocaster guitar. The muscleman was created during Morrison's surreal Doom Patrol era as a mild satire of the world renowned bodybuilder Charles Atlas and his cartoon advertisements, "The Insult That Made a Man out of Mac" or "The Bully That Kicked Sand in My Face," that appeared in many comics and other periodicals for years. But after Morrison spun off his own reality-bending mini-series, the character developed into a kind of thinking man's Superman and so much more. He became a symbol of reader's interest in superhero types as the id's desire to be more. At the same time, he's also a contrasting response to the growing number of dark anti-hero types. As his name suggests, Flex Mentallo has a metatextual voice for his readers that challenges them to exercise their minds -- more specifically, about the subculture of comic books. The character traversed several states of reality, from the world of his comic book canon to the "real world" of the reader and everything in between. He thus became a personification of the various relationships between comic book time, space, creators, characters, and readers. Morrison, through the guise of Flex Mentallo, has created the standard of comic book existentialism.

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#68 Harley Quinn (Dr. Harleen Quinzel)

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/68.jpg" align="left" alt="Harley Quinn (Dr. Harleen Quinzel)">First Appearance (TV): Joker's Favor
First Appearance (comics): Batman: Harley Quinn #1
Created by: Paul Dini and Bruce Timm

When fans of the new animated Batman series tuned in on Friday September eleventh 1992, they got more than they ever would have expected. The episode Joker's Favor introduced the animated series' first and most popular contribution to the Batman mythos: Harley Quinn. Harley was the Joker's girlfriend, a funny, doting, love interest to the volatile Joker, who would at times both love her and hate her. There were many reasons to love Harley, but chief amongst them were her own wacky sense of humor, and while she had her own psychotic streak, there was something so much more lovable about her, more caring, than the Joker. Harley became popular enough to demand episodes following her exploits not just with the Joker, but with gal pal Poison Ivy and even by herself. When creators Paul Dini and Bruce Timm wanted to reveal Harley's origin, they did it not on TV but in comics, in a special done in animated series style called Mad Love. The special proved not only immensely popular amongst fans, but won both the Eisner and Harvey awards that year. And during DC's mega-Bat epic No Man's Land, Harley took that final big step: she entered the DCU in her own special, joining the Joker to bedevil Batman. Harley wound up getting her own monthly series, lasting for a respectable 38 issues, had a critically acclaimed mini-series done in animated series style with Poison Ivy, and recently even received an action figure with design work by Jim Lee. Harley is a girl who has left the shadow of the Joker, and found her own place in the sun.

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#67 Deathstroke The Terminator (Slade Wilson)

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/67.jpg" align=left alt="Deathstroke The Terminator (Slade Wilson)">First Appearance: New Teen Titans (1st series) #1
Created by: Marv Wolfman and George Perez

Slade Wilson was a military man through and through. Volunteering for an experimental treatment, he was struck comatose only to recover with increased physical and mental capacity that made him the perfect fighting machine. Acting as an assassin with high moral standards, Slade became obsessed with destroying the Teen Titans when his first son died fighting them and his second joined their ranks. After Slade was forced to slay his son he became more tolerant of the Titans and operated as a zero tolerance vigilante. More recently he has become one of the most feared assassins in the world and only accepts contracts worthy of his time. Any other offers get deferred to lesser associates. Slade's character has developed over time into a flawed yet relentless killer. His twisted sense of morality and permanent threat mean that he's one of the few comic book villains who has no need for a hero to play off. Slade is always a threat whose only weakness appears to be his hidden humanity. His influence and importance as a villain can be seen with his recent demolition of the Justice League in Identity Crisis along with the character's regular appearances in the Teen Titans cartoon series.

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#66 Snow White

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/66.jpg" align=left alt="Snow White">First Appearance: Fables #1
Created by: Bill Willingham and Mark Buckingham

Once upon a time…well, that's about enough of that. Forget the puffy sleeves, the twirling skirt, the idly singing to birds in a forest. Forget the dwarves, the poisoned apple, the glass bier. This Snow White is no damsel in distress, no flitting housemaid, no fairy tale princess. She's a strong, self assured and entirely capable woman of power and she's not going to take any of your attitude. One of the greatest appeals of Fables as a series is the masterful way in which classic characters from folk lore and fairy tales are subverted and updated for our modern day. And so when we first meet the new Snow White, we are amused and intrigued by the fact that she is no longer the doting air headed beauty and anathema to feminists everywhere, but the most powerful woman…the most powerful being…in all of Fabletown. As deputy mayor, she directly oversees all the affairs of state, business practices, criminal matters, personal crises and everything else. Her name no longer refers solely to the fairness of her skin, but to the icy edge of her demeanor. She's been through the invasions and wars of the Adversary, dealt with the philandering and condescension of her ex-husband Prince Charming and kept her people safe and secure from the discovery of the Mundies and from threats within the community itself. The hardship has made her strong…but it has also made her hard and cold. And it's when that cold exterior starts to melt away and reveal the more vulnerable side of her character that we find we don't just like Snow…but, like Bigby, we love her. For her hardness and her softness, for her edge and her vulnerability. Recently, Snow has been ousted as deputy mayor and taken on a new role that even better showcases her warmth and caring: mother to her and Bigby's children…with love, with protection and sometimes with sacrifice.

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#65 The Shade (Richard Swift)

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/65.jpg" align=left alt="The Shade (Richard Swift)">First Appearance: Flash Comics #33
Created by: Gardner Fox and Hal Sharp
Reimagined by: James Robinson and Tony Harris

Like most supercriminals of the Golden Age, the Shade received little motivation beyond greed for his dastardly deeds. The only consistencies among his appearances were his desire for more wealth, his cane which projected dark constructs, and his penchant for battling speedsters wearing red. It would take fifty years and a recurring role in Starman to move the Shade beyond his less than dynamic beginnings. James Robinson decreed that the cane was a simple prop, the power to bend darkness to his will was his own, and that had been only the outer edge of his frighteningly demonic abilities. An immortal well into his second century of that singular state, he had clashed with Flashes not out of financial need (though he certainly enjoyed the spoils of crime), but because he appreciated the sport of costumed jousting. He blurs the line between hero and villain - foiling a robbery but taking a painting for himself, saving an innocent then slaughtering her attackers. He loves his city as much as he loves his friends or his absinthe, and will defend Opal with the last of his long-lived life. The Shade pushes past the standard spandex lifestyle to become something more honest and morally questionable. Plus, it is a rarity to find a character able to pull off a top hat and tails as a fashion choice.

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#64 The Question (Charles Victor Szasz/Vic Sage)

<img src=" http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/64.jpg" align=left alt="The Question (Charles Victor Szasz/Vic Sage)">First Appearance: Blue Beetle (1st series) #1
Created by: Steve Ditko
Reimagined by: Dennis O'Neil and Denys Cowan

At first glance The Question is hardly anything original, a masked street level vigilante with no powers, just ruthless fighting skills and his keen mind to protect him and his city. But when you scratch below the visual, one of the most truly unique superheroes is revealed. I remember my first experience with The Question, an annual crossover with Green Arrow, in it, The Question actually considered allowing the citizens of Hub City to receive a chemical lobotomy. I was shocked, never had I even imagined a hero weighing the pros and cons of a villain's plans. But that's who The Question is, the hero who defies all previous expectations of superhero morality. Essentially, there are two types of superhero moralities, one is the icon approach, fighting for truth justice and the American way/using their great power with great responsibility, a focus on harm reduction crossed with being an example above human failings. The second is the ruthless vigilante approach, that criminals must be forceably removed from society. The Question is neither and both at the same time, he is the most philosophically charged hero in comics. Beginning with Steve Ditko creating the character as a way to apply Ayn Rand's philosophy of objectivism to superhero comics. And evolving into Dennis O'Neil's clash of eastern and western philosophies, a hero that never took any situation at face value and was always at war with himself to determine his own personal morality. The Question is proof that superhero comics can aim for higher intellectual levels. A hero with an ever-evolving sense of morality that gives him a perspective unique from all other heroes. How will he come to view the world in the future? That, friends, is The Question.

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#63 Maxwell Lord IV

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/63.jpg" align=left alt="Maxwell Lord IV">First Appearance: Justice League #1
Created by: Keith Giffen, J. M. DeMatties and Kevin Maguire

Maxwell Lord is the stereotypical businessman with no ethics or morals beyond making a dollar. Two failed marriages, countless failed businesses, no real friends. The checklist is all ticked. However, Max's endearing qualities are just these. Rarely is the hero shown to be such an utter slime ball. To have the DCU's most important and clean cut super team, the Justice League of America, led by a conniving businessman with no real back bone is such an oxymoron that it had to work. Max's relationship with each member of the League was strained at best. Even his assistants, Oberon and L-Ron, loathed to be around him. Max knew this and didn't care. Long before Wildcats v3.0 showcased corporate politics, Max was fighting to make the League a profitable global organisation, closing down other rival super teams like the fat cat he is. Max's place on this list is earned through his endearing grotesqueness as a person and because of his diametrically opposed place on America's premier team.

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#62 Booster Gold (Michael Jon Carter)

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/62.jpg"align=left alt="Booster Gold (Michael Jon Carter)">First Appearance: Booster Gold #1
Created by: Dan Jurgens

Michael Jon Carter was a successful athlete in the future when a match fixing scandal forced him to retire. He became night watchman at the Space Museum and using his wits managed to steal time travel technology along with a Legion flight ring, a force field belt and a suit that had gauntlet blasters. Booster travelled to the 20th century and was fast to join the newly formed Justice League International. Perfectly suited to the new, cosmopolitan, media friendly nature of the League, Booster was quick to form a friendship with Blue Beetle and the two would have a variety of harebrained schemes. Booster's endearing qualities are his total ineptness despite being one of the most powerful technology based DC characters. His comedy partnership with Blue Beetle is reminiscent of Laurel and Hardy's dumb and dumber routine. More concerned with his aging millionaire wife and how his hair looks for his next photo op than saving the world, Booster is the hero that 90% of comics readers would realistically be if they had the opportunity. Booster got lucky with his powers and he knows it. Flippant, jovial and totally unaware of any sort of danger, Booster is loveably stupid in every way.

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#61 Blue Beetle (Ted Kord)

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/61.jpg" align=left alt="Blue Beetle (Ted Kord)">First Appearance: Captain Atom (2nd series) #83
Created by: Steve Ditko

When Ted Kord first appeared as the Blue Beetle in 1966, he was already living in the shadow of his fallen mentor. While Ted was certainly one of the first inheritors to a heroic legacy, not much else about him stood out. Even after he and the other Charlton characters were purchased by DC, Blue Beetle remained the very model of a very familiar archetype. A wealthy industrialist, who also happens to be a gifted scientist, driven to fight crime by a solemn promise, which leads him to design an array of weaponry and aircraft inspired by an animal, and to hone his body to perfection, before donning a Blue spandex costume... ok, maybe you've heard that one before. Placed on the Justice League, it would take Keith Giffen and J. M. DeMatteis to reinforce the one trait that Ted clearly had over Batman... namely, a sense of humor. From moneymaking schemes to inexplicable comas to a budding weight problem, Beetle became that most unique sort of hero, the kind who gets the joke. And no matter how far ensconced he becomes in the Bat-verse, he will always remain the only action hero to ever go into battle wearing control-top spandex. That has to count for something.

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#60 Bizarro

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/60.jpg" align=left alt="Bizarro">First Appearance: Action Comics #254
Created by: Otto Binder and George Papp
Reimagined by: John Byrne

There isn't much in comics that becomes a part of mainstream culture, but the idea of the Bizarro has. (Thanks in large part to Jerry Seinfeld, as Bizarro Superman inspired an episode of his classic sitcom Seinfeld). Bizarro is the inverted duplicate of Superman, created in the silver age as a result of a flawed duplication ray who ended up living on the planet Htrae (Earth spelled backwards) where all men are Bizarro Supermen and all women Bizarro Loises. In the modern age he is the flawed clone of Superman. In both cases the flaw is within his mental development, why Bizarro is arguably the most powerful being in all existence (There has been evidence that he may be stronger than Superman.) he is essentially a small child, without the mental capacity to understand his actions, a trait that can be both humourous and tragic. As a Superman villain, Bizarro works as a physical threat, but also as someone trying to take Superman's place, thus illustrating, albiet comedically, the irreplaceability of Superman. The Bizarro concept is the ideal comedic tool for for reflecting what defines a character. Bizarro has also branched off into the world of Bizarro comics, where indie creators have fun with the DC Universe through Bizarro.

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#59 Grifter (Cole Cash)

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/59.jpg" align=left alt="Bizarro">First Appearance: WildC.A.T.s #1
Created by: Jim Lee and Brandon Choi

Trench coat. Twin guns. Martial arts. Motorcycle. Cigarettes. Sarcastic quips in battle. Mysterious past with the military. Cool mask. Grifter began his comics career as the stereotypical badass character that every team was required to have in the 90s. One of the few consistent characters throughout the history of the Wildstorm Universe, he was an original member of Team 7, teaming up with Zealot and helping to found the original WildC.A.T.s, the first to leave for his own solo adventures and yet also the only original member to return to the Halo, Inc. fold after the team's disbanding (since Lord Emp and Spartan never really left, we can't really say they returned). And yet for all that was trite and derivative about him, there was something intriguing about the character of Cole Cash behind the mask. His unrequited love for a seemingly stoic woman, his constant questioning of the people and situations that surrounded him, his depressions and petty jealousies. Even before Joe Casey used him to reflect the antiquated notions of traditional superheroics, Grifter existed as a commentary on the very character type and genre of comics in which he was appearing, giving him an appeal on multiple levels. He kicks ass for the action lovers, has a real depth and humanity for those who like good character and drama and serves as a critique on himself and those surrounding him for the readers who enjoy a more progressive take on superheroes. Plus, bonus points for being one of only a few popular characters to survive from the inception of Wildstorm to the modern day.

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#58 Midnighter

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/58.jpg"align=left alt="Midnighter">First Appearance: Stormwatch (2nd series) #4
Created by: Warren Ellis

The Midnighter lost whatever civilian identity he may have once possessed the day he was drafted into Henry Bendix's personal superhuman army, and after years of hiding went on to make history as one of the founding members of The Authority. Created to be the greatest fighter in existence, Midnighter is capable of predicting untold millions of possible fight scenarios, able to select the most effective mode of attack. Along with enhanced strength, speed, durability and awareness, the Midnighter is an all but unstoppable force in battle. Even more captivating than his powers, however, is the man who wields them. A walking mass of contradiction, Midnighter is both a vicious killer, and a caring husband and father. He may be the designated team badass, but manages to do so with a level of wit and intelligence usually lacking from such an archetype. He's always been tough and nonchalant about saving the world, yet is deeply troubled recently as he wonders if his team is doing more harm than good. And oh yeah, he's gay, and very much in love with his teammate Apollo, but he's never let that define who he is. God help you if you call him a poof though.

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#57 Bigby Wolf

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/57.jpg" align=left alt="Bigby Wolf">First Appearance: Fables #1
Created by: Bill Willingham and Lan Medina

Who's afraid of the Big Bad Wolf? Most of Fabletown, but not for the reason that you'd expect. Bigby Wolf is the sheriff of Fabletown, the district of New York populated by expatriates from the Adversary's attacks on the homelands of all Fables. Having been granted amnesty for such crimes as Grandma eating and house blowing down, the lycanthropic Bigby became the sheriff to watch out for all Fables (except on the farm where animal Fables live, as they're still concerned about his dietary habits), and to be close to Snow White, the woman that he has been harboring feelings for. The beauty of Bigby's character is the grey area he exists in. While he is obviously a good guy, he is more than willing to get his hands very dirty. When a reporter is trying to out the Fables, he drugs him and has… compromising pictures taken of his with Pinnochio, who is still a real boy. And when Ichabod Crane, former deputy mayor of Fabletown, is revealed to be willing to sell secrets to agents of the Adversary, Bigby has no issue with beating him to death brutally. But he is also a guy who does his best to keep poor Flycatcher, the Frog Prince, employed and guilt free, and to sit nervously while his cubs are born. This is a character with more than just a lot of huff and puff.

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#56 Reverse Flash (Eobard Thawne)

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/56.jpg" align=left alt="Reverse Flash (Eobard Thawne)">First Appearance: Flash (1st series) #139
Created by: John Broome and Carmine Infantino

The ongoing feud between the Thawne and Allen families spanned generations and centuries until one deluded man idolised the wrong family's hero. Eobard Thawne was as tragic a villain as you could find. Idolising the Flash and travelling back in time to meet him, he was sent insane by the trip. Battling his hero he managed to kill the Flash's wife and then later engaged the Flash in a race across the globe as he tried to kill his bride to be. Thawne's character was so groundbreaking due to his end. Stopped, inches away from killing his next victim by the Flash breaking his neck. For nearly twenty years Barry Allen's Flash had been the clean-cut hero in the DCU. As honest as Superman, Barry's one slip up marred his entire career. Thawne lends more to the character than this one moment though. His return years later to haunt the next Flash showed how his idolising of Barry Allen had led to his insanity and mistrust of his hero as he realised he was destined to die at his hands. The Reverse Flash is the greatest of Flash's Rogues and also one of the most tragic villains in the DCU.

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55. Yorick Brown
<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/55.jpg" align=left alt="Yorick Brown">First Appearance: Y the Last Man #1
Created by: Brian K. Vaughan and Pia Guerra

A plague sweeps across the Earth, killing off every living organism with a y-chromosome. Except for two. Yorick Brown and his pet monkey Ampersand. And while Ampersand has many fascinating personality traits (throwing feces, being kidnapped by ninja, etc.), our focus is on Yorick. So, what's so special about him? Nothing. That's the point. The last remaining human male on the planet is a moderately intelligent, sarcastic, unemployed English major with a fascination for trivia. Okay, he's also an above average escape artist, but other than that he's just a guy. Just as neurotic and flawed as the rest of us. That's what makes his story so compelling and extraordinary. The only thing that's special about him is that he's the last hope for the survival of the world. We can relate to him. He has hang ups about sex and death. He doesn't always get along with the people around him. He has issues with his family. He's not particularly noble or heroic. He makes reckless and dumb decisions. He judges others very quickly. Despite having a girlfriend he's in love with, he's cheated on her twice. But at heart he's a good guy and we care about him. He admits when he's made a mistake. He stands up for his friends. He tries to do the right thing, even if he's not always clear on what that is. He's a scared kid facing an impossible situation. We look at what he does and realize, to our amusement or shame, that it's probably what we would do. His character raises what could just be a rather witty escapist tale to a level of real human drama. He's not a hero. He's not a victim. He's just a man. The last man.

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#54: Alfred E. Neuman

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/54.jpg" align=left alt="Alfred E. Neuman">First Appearance: Unknown
First Appearance (Mad): The Mad Reader
Created by: Unknown
Reimagined by: Mad Magazine's Usual Gang of Idiots

Many cultural icons represent the most profound emotions and states within us, from the absolute positive to the absolute negatives -- ecstasy, anger, heroism, villainy, inner conflict, and so on. Ooh, so deep! But what about that which makes us giggle uncontrollably? What about our lighthearted, absurd, and nonsensical selves? Going back further than anyone can say with certainty, the face of Mad Magazine's Alfred E. Neuman started appearing on early products and advertisements around 100 years ago. Some even argue him as an offshoot of "The Yellow Kid," the first ever comic book character. But Alfred E. Neuman came into his own. During the 50s and 60s, a tumultuous period in American history when the nucleic family was breaking down, traditional morals and values were usurped by the Baby Boom generation, and freedoms and rights were reclaimed by women and ethnic minorities, no better figure could arise into a topsy-turvy society than a dorky face that could make anyone smile at themselves and at the world. Readers of Mad wanted more of the freckle-faced, sly-grinned, buck-toothed dork. And more they got when the creators of Mad, or what they self-proclaim as "the usual gang of idiots," gave. He became a mascot for the magazine and soon began lampooning figures of pop culture and politics to remind everyone that: Yes, life's a bitch, but hey, we might as well make a joke of it and laugh at it. Embrace Alfred E. Neuman. Embrace the idiot within us all.

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53. Grant Morrison
<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/53.jpg" align=left alt="Grant Morrison">First appearance: Animal Man #25
Created by: Grant Morrison and Chas Truog

To clarify, we are not discussing Grant Morrison the real person. We are talking about Grant Morrison the character, the fictional simulation of the real Grant Morrison who the real Grant Morrison wrote into Animal Man to interact with Animal Man. Hmm…okay, so I didn't do a very good job of clarifying there I guess. So, who is THIS Grant Morrison? As he explains to Animal Man, "Me? I'm the evil mastermind behind the scenes. I'm the wicked puppeteer who pulls the strings and makes you dance. I'm your writer." And he is. But he doesn't seem very happy about it. Or much of anything else. Morrison is the anti-climax to Animal Man's quest for meaning, the author and embodiment of his existential crisis. He and his "real" world are grey and bleak compared to Animal Man's brightly colored spandex, yet his power and authority are absolute because anything he wants to have happen he just writes into the script. He has all the answers, but he's also writing all the questions. But he is still in the end a creature of disappointment. His cat died, but he experiences his anger and sadness in a detached way because he knows he can use that emotion to write about death and suffering. He can interact with his creation, he can break the fourth wall to thanks his collaborators and readers, but he can't think of anything meaningful to say. He is a god in this four-color world, but his omnipotence is temporary and can't extend beyond the page. But for all his angst and ennui, he restores Animal Man's family to life and disappears regretfully into the chill and dark of the Scottish night…the unseen signal of a childhood imaginary friend offering a comfort and hope that he'll never experience. At least, not this issue…

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#52 Mister Mxyzptlk

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/52.jpg" align=left alt="Mister Mxyzptlk">First Appearance: Superman (1st seires) #30
Created by: Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, Ira Yarbrough
Reimagined by: John Byrne and Keith Williams

Mxyzptlk is a fifth dimensional imp who enjoys winding people up. He has plagued Superman for almost all of his career. His real name unpronounceable, Mxyzptlk created his moniker by randomly typing keys on an imaginary typewriter. He can only be returned to his dimension by tricking him into spelling or saying his name backwards. The impish character is so beloved due to his crafty schemes and ridiculously over the top theatrics. To have a character as straight laced and square jawed as Superman have to fight a villain who doesn't want to hurt anyone or steal anything, only make Superman look like a fool is always entertaining. Mxyzptlk is immensely powerful and yet chooses to limit himself to playing mindless games. One of Superman's most memorable and endearing enemies, Mxy strikes the reader as the type of guy you'd like your big brother to be. Scary when he has to be but fun to muck around with and never above making the authority figure look stupid.

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#51 Spectre (Jim Corrigan)

<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top70dccharacters/51.jpg" align=left alt="Spectre (Jim Corrigan)">First Appearance: More Fun Comics #52
Created by: Jerry Siegel and Bernard Bailey

Though he trailed Superman by more than a year, the Spectre was much more powerful than that other Jerry Siegel concept. However, the undead avenger rarely exercised his spectral potential, usually utilizing fists and flight when fighting alongside the other founding members of the Justice Society of America. The resurrected hero joined the rest of the Golden Agers in limbo for a decade, but the Spectre re-emerged with a stronger presence than any of his peers, first with a regular showcase in Showcase and then with his own self-titled series. What set him apart from the crowd? It was impossible for the deceased detective to spawn inheritors, so his concept remained pure, and his presence noticeable. Though his power level and mission statement varied over time, the Spectre could always be counted on to appear in the midst of a cosmic crisis. In his final series, John Ostrander took the character a step further, revealing the ghost to be the first-born-son-killing spirit of Divine Wrath. His human side was equally enhanced, addressing religion (and his newfound place in it), racism, and the hereafter, with Jim Corrigan willingly making that final walk into the beyond... all that was missing was a Vertigo indicia.

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Ignition
Feb 7, 2005, 07:40 am
great list. flex mentallo sounds cool wonderif i can pick somne of the stuff he was in



1ST POST.... I'm happy

bravelybravesirrobin
Feb 7, 2005, 08:24 am
Guys, guys, guys (more than Likely Jordan) I'm all for a Morrisson love-in but seriously, Morrisson himself in animal man? That's stretching it a bit don't you think.


Hmmm Mid-Nighter but no Apollo. I have a sneaking suspicion Apollo won't be making this list then.

I'm not too sure the reverse Flash should be in it either. He's good but hardly great. I'm sure I can think of 60 more interesting villains than him and fill up this lsit without adding any heroes if need be.


Predictions for Number 1? Batman, Superman or Morpheus. What's it gonna be?

Kevin Sutton
Feb 7, 2005, 11:10 am
Great list. I've actually heard of all these characters! :) Yay!

jojaxx
Feb 7, 2005, 11:13 am
Hmm, no wonder I don't read more DC comics. Yorick's the only guy on that list that's remotely interesting.

Hopefully the next batch will be better.

Jon Hancock
Feb 7, 2005, 12:01 pm
Guys, guys, guys (more than Likely Jordan) I'm all for a Morrisson love-in but seriously, Morrisson himself in animal man? That's stretching it a bit don't you think.


Hmmm Mid-Nighter but no Apollo. I have a sneaking suspicion Apollo won't be making this list then.

I'm not too sure the reverse Flash should be in it either. He's good but hardly great. I'm sure I can think of 60 more interesting villains than him and fill up this lsit without adding any heroes if need be.


Predictions for Number 1? Batman, Superman or Morpheus. What's it gonna be?

Pretty much every list voter had GM in their selections. It was a democratic process free of Jordan ballot stuffing (I think ;))

Reverse Flash is one of the greatest DCU villains. I honestly couldn't disagree with you more. He's a tragic character. He represents the legacy that is central to the Flash's character. He made Barry Allen a freaking murderer! He helped Wally come out of his uncle's shadow. He's insane but like parallax, it's an understandable insanity.

DeadmanWade
Feb 7, 2005, 01:48 pm
Im a little surpised that Deathstroke was beaten out by a bunch of wildstorm guys and the mad guy. Im a marvel reader mainly aside from vertigo but i would have rated him in the top 30... but ofcourse dc does have a wide universe.. still a very interesting list wonder who else is gonna make it. and if my hero ambush bug makes the cut hah

James Groves
Feb 7, 2005, 02:58 pm
What's kinda ironic is the fact that Blue Beetle and Booster Gold follow each other one after the other at #62 and #61. "The Blue and the Gold" together again--perhaps pointing out that they always did work better as characters when they were with each other as a team.

Cant split 'em apart--even in a top 70 list!

Great entries, well written. Good stuff! Although i still feel Deathstroke deserved being a tad higher. ;) And i'd say all characters mentioned so far were deserving of being in the list--Reverse Flash definitely deserves to be on there imo.

And its nice to see Vertigo/Wildstorm love. :)

Phoenix_Force
Feb 7, 2005, 03:32 pm
Deathstroke and Harley kind of got the shaft, don't you think? :frust:

BoyWonderNextDoor
Feb 7, 2005, 03:58 pm
Deathstroke WAY got the shaft. What gives?

Patriot
Feb 7, 2005, 03:58 pm
I was lokking at The Question entry-Is Victor Zsasz not the guy from Batman who kept score of his kills on his body?Last appearance Detective Comics#796(i think-the spoiler as robin issue)

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 7, 2005, 04:23 pm
great list. flex mentallo sounds cool wonderif i can pick somne of the stuff he was in


good luck. DC has run into legal problems with the Charles Atlas estate, so the Flex Mentallo mini series has yet to be collected in trade (though it appears they've finally relented and allowed his appearances in Doom Patrol to be reprinted, so there's hope)

Guys, guys, guys (more than Likely Jordan) I'm all for a Morrisson love-in but seriously, Morrisson himself in animal man? That's stretching it a bit don't you think.


for the record, i didn't nominate Morrison. and i voted for him pretty low in my list. that said, i think he belongs here. the character and story were ground breaking and innovative. we'd had creators pop up in guest spots in their books before, cracking fourth wall jokes and what not...but we'd never actually had a character meet their writer like that. and Morrison didn't use the opportunity to make himself look good. he wrote himself with no ego and in fact rather disparagingly.

now, there are other characters who didn't make the list that i'd give him up for...but there are other characters who did make the list who i'd give up long before i got to him. ;) his place is earned.

Hmm, no wonder I don't read more DC comics. Yorick's the only guy on that list that's remotely interesting.

Hopefully the next batch will be better.

while Yorick is interesting...i fail to see how you can say none of nineteen other characters is interesting. particularly when you yourself admit that you don't read that much DC.

Ryan Day
Feb 7, 2005, 05:19 pm
John Ostrander's Spectre series is one of the most interesting and original series I've seen. How can you go wrong with you cross a hard-boiled 1940s cop with a the biblical spirit of God's wrath? Ostrander did great things with all the aspects, mixing Biblical references with superheroics from Zatanna, Dr. Fate, Phantom Stranger and others. Really, DC needs to collect the whole run (with Tom Mandrake, even!) and slap a Vertigo label on it. Great, great stuff.

EvolutionIceman
Feb 7, 2005, 05:27 pm
Deathstroke being this low is pretty sad. He's easily a top 30 character, and I'd probably put him in my Top Ten. I think Yorrick should be a little higher as well, and Harley too.

Come on, Wildstorm characters over freaking Deathstroke? :#

Dylan McKay
Feb 7, 2005, 05:29 pm
for the record, i didn't nominate Morrison. and i voted for him pretty low in my list. that said, i think he belongs here. the character and story were ground breaking and innovative. we'd had creators pop up in guest spots in their books before, cracking fourth wall jokes and what not...but we'd never actually had a character meet their writer like that. and Morrison didn't use the opportunity to make himself look good. he wrote himself with no ego and in fact rather disparagingly.


Not to mention, while other writers have appeared in comics , how many others have had their comics version killed off?

And as for the complaints about Deathstroke, honestly, just wait and see, there are still alot of great characters to come. We knew when we tallied the scores that alot of people would be shocked and appaulled by our choices, but I honestly believe that no one isn't given their due. All 70 are great characters and concidering who didn't even make it at all, I say that making the list in and of itself is an honour. That said, I must say, what's with the dissing of Wildstorm? Wildstorm is great, why wouldn't these characters be featured on the list?

EvolutionIceman
Feb 7, 2005, 06:27 pm
I can't speak for others, but I'm not dissing on Wildstorm, I'm dissing on them being rated above guys like Deathstroke. I mean, Deathstroke being that low is really shocking, but I'll be going into the remaining lists with an open mind.

raven1979
Feb 7, 2005, 07:22 pm
Whats with the Wildstorm bashing, the most innovative supethero line in the last 7 years with books like Autorithy, Wilcats v.3 ,Planetary.

Grifter from the V3 and Midnighter > Deathstroke.

Jon Hancock
Feb 7, 2005, 07:38 pm
Deathstroke is a great character. However, he's pretty one dimensional and earns his place more as a plot tool and an icon than a rounded out character.

Saying that, I loved his solo series.

raul grau
Feb 7, 2005, 07:59 pm
John Ostrander's Spectre series is one of the most interesting and original series I've seen. How can you go wrong with you cross a hard-boiled 1940s cop with a the biblical spirit of God's wrath? Ostrander did great things with all the aspects, mixing Biblical references with superheroics from Zatanna, Dr. Fate, Phantom Stranger and others. Really, DC needs to collect the whole run (with Tom Mandrake, even!) and slap a Vertigo label on it. Great, great stuff.

I completely agree, Ryan. Ostrander really propelled the Spectre to a new realm of characterization. That series deserves to be collected, though I disagree that it necessarily needs a Vertigo label. Like Starman, it managed to be mature and realistic, without existing mainstream DC.

Deathstroke is a great character. However, he's pretty one dimensional and earns his place more as a plot tool and an icon than a rounded out character. Saying that, I loved his solo series.

Now I'm a little confused. How can you call Deathstroke a one dimensional character after reading his solo book (and, I presume, his early arcs in New Titans)? Sure, he is now portrayed as simply an efficient, if brilliant, fighting machine, but there was a time when he was more hero than villain, dealing with family betrayal and wandering loyalties. He is an icon, but was so much more.

- Raul

Jon Hancock
Feb 7, 2005, 08:15 pm
You're confused? I'm drunk. Beat that :)

He is more than an icon but I think the iconic status limits him. Kinda. Ignore me :)

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 7, 2005, 08:33 pm
You're confused? I'm drunk. Beat that :)

He is more than an icon but I think the iconic status limits him. Kinda. Ignore me :)

don't we usually?

and why do people spell Yorick's name with two r's? His name has never appeared in print with two r's. it's not printed here with two r's. the character from Hamlet that he's named after doesn't have two r's. it takes more effort to type that extra r than to leave it off. so what's up with that? it's like people who spell "Rogue" as Rouge and "Phoenix" as Pheonix. only worse, because i give Vertigo readers more credit. :p

and yes, Deathstroke should rank a bit higher. i agree with that. but there are certain characters i think belong here who didn't make the list at all, and others on the list that still have me scratching my head (Lobo's popularity baffles me).

RingoStarr
Feb 8, 2005, 12:13 am
Deathstroke is a great character. However, he's pretty one dimensional and earns his place more as a plot tool and an icon than a rounded out character.

Saying that, I loved his solo series.


One dimensional? The issue of Teen Titans where Gar went to kill Slade and then ended up having lunch with him...that issue I think helped to show he is anything but.

He started off as their arch enemy and eventually became a friend (for a while at least). I think he's one of the most interresting characters in the DCU.

Phoenix_Force
Feb 8, 2005, 02:09 am
Deathstroke in Teen Titans recently as well as in Identity Crisis makes up for years of obligatory, action-packed, '80s 2-D characterization.

Yeah, I agree that Morrisson the character is . . . Yeah. A little much. I only hope that Neil Gaiman appears, and then I will be a happy man.

ANd speaking of NG, if Death is not in the top 20, I will *so* throw things.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 8, 2005, 03:59 am
um, when has Neil appeared as a character in any of his books? or anyone else's for that matter?

bravelybravesirrobin
Feb 8, 2005, 04:10 am
Don't have the trade to hand but isn't he in the wake?

Not that I feel he should be in the list either and especially not higher than Morrisson.


I have a sneaking suspicion Morpheus will be number 1 and Death and Delirium will both be in the top 20 personally.

Phoenix_Force
Feb 8, 2005, 04:12 am
um, when has Neil appeared as a character in any of his books? or anyone else's for that matter?

He appeared in The Wake, Death: The High Cost of Living, and another one too that's name escapes me . . .

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 8, 2005, 04:22 am
yeah, but having yourself drawn into the book as a cameo treat for the fans is one thing. it doesn't make you a character...and it certainly doesn't make you a top character. christ, Alan Moore's popped up in Swamp Thing once or twice, doesn't mean we're giving him a spot too.

Dylan McKay
Feb 8, 2005, 04:31 am
Personally, although I definatly could see higher, there are at least four characters I could see being higher than Deathstroke that did not make the list.

plewis
Feb 8, 2005, 09:37 am
Though I'm not much of a DC universe guy, The question Rocks! Anyone who isn't getting the current 6 issue limited is seriously missing out.

As for those arguing about Grant Morrison's character of himself in the list, this is not about the man himself, but on the merrit of the character and it's place in literature. I happen to think the guy is a mad genius, but I haven't read those stories so I have no idea about the worth of the DC Character Grant Morrison. Knowing some of his work, though, I'd give it the benifit of the doubt. It does raise an interesting question. Could someone else write something that brought back this DCU character from the dead?

I'm glad to see Yorick Brown on the list. Interesting part is that the guy, removed from his circumstances, is a total tool and a nobody. His very non-uniqueness in light of his unique circumstances is really what makes the book work so well. BKV is the man.

Speaking of BKV, I'm hoping to see Mitchel Hundred in the next block of people on the list. I can see how he might have gotten bumped completly because he just doesn't have that many issues under his utitlity belt. Still I love the panel where he's at Ground Zero and someone calls him a hero and he says "Don't call me a hero. If I was a hero,..." next page is a splash page with one trade center tower and one tower of light. "I would have saved both towers."

Priceless.

Peace.

EvolutionIceman
Feb 8, 2005, 11:21 am
I could've seen Mitch here, but I can't see giving any higher to a guy wiht less than 10 appearances so far. When all is said and done with his title in a few years, he'll probably rank much higher, as will Yorick(and I'm hoping a certain other member of Yorick's book is higher on this list than he is). But for now, Mayor Hundred is too new to put in the top 50, IMHO.

Al Harahap
Feb 8, 2005, 11:29 am
Wow, I didn't know Deathstroke's position would be so controversial. I think he belongs right where he is -- definitely one of the top 70 characters, but because he hasn't been developed much compared to other anti-heroes in comics (which I realise is arguable, especially for his fans), he's in the bottom tier. :slade:

Alex Guillen
Feb 8, 2005, 11:43 am
well the first list is very good. Including characters like Lobo (product of the grim and gritty age of comics) to grifter (wildstorm) and even grant morisson (animal Man) really shows alot about how diverse the DCU is.
It's good to see new characters from vertigo being here (bigby and snow white) but also the midnighter: he's much more than justa batman-spinoff or spoff, he's a character with a heart and a lot of character.
Great loist, can't wait for the next one.

Ryan Day
Feb 8, 2005, 12:20 pm
yeah, but having yourself drawn into the book as a cameo treat for the fans is one thing. it doesn't make you a character...and it certainly doesn't make you a top character. christ, Alan Moore's popped up in Swamp Thing once or twice, doesn't mean we're giving him a spot too.

I suspect nearly half the creators in comics have appeared in their books at one point or another. Just off the top of my head, I can remember an issue of X-Men with Claremont and Byrne (or perhaps Cockrum), and an issue of Firestorm where Firestorm and Captain Atom flew through DC's offices.

Patrick James
Feb 8, 2005, 12:30 pm
Plus the Avengers issue with Kurt Busiek and George Perez narrating.

Seth Kim
Feb 8, 2005, 02:07 pm
Great, great list. Can't wait to see who's left.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 8, 2005, 04:24 pm
I suspect nearly half the creators in comics have appeared in their books at one point or another. Just off the top of my head, I can remember an issue of X-Men with Claremont and Byrne (or perhaps Cockrum), and an issue of Firestorm where Firestorm and Captain Atom flew through DC's offices.

exactly. my point is, despite these "cameos," they've rarely actually been characters in the book. and usually they somehow exist in the fictional world with the actual characters. this was different. Morrison himself WAS a character and Animal Man visited him not in the DC Universe as a winking nod to the fans, but ACTUALLY met him and discussed the nature of fiction versus reality. it's different than having a pale guy in all black who looks something like Neil Gaiman passing Death on the street.

DeadmanWade
Feb 8, 2005, 11:28 pm
Would the maxx be classified as an image charcter cause his series originally was image and the trades published by dc...i know none of his cooky cast will make it... the main reason i got interested in deathstroke is he inspired my fave char deadpool im happy dp didnt turn out to be a copy of him like he may have started out as

NMBradbury
Feb 9, 2005, 01:01 pm
Pretty good list so far. Only changes I would have made is to have the Midnighter a LOT higher (near Jenny Sparks, who had better be top 10) and I would have given Beetle and Booster a joint spot, to reflect the way they are fantastic characters when together as a double act, but not so much separately.

Who I predict to be near the top:
Morpheus
Jesse Custer
Cassidy
Green Arrow (hopefully)
Batman
Superman
Bugs Bunny
John Constantine (hopefully)
Wonder Woman
Jenny Sparks (hopefully)

ON a related note, preempting anyone opposing Mtzlpyk's entry should read Alan Moore's 'Whatever happened to the Man of Steel?'. He absolutely rules in that.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 9, 2005, 04:09 pm
although he is QUITE a different character with a wholly different motivation in that tale then he's ever been in any "in continuity" story.

NMBradbury
Feb 9, 2005, 06:15 pm
although he is QUITE a different character with a wholly different motivation in that tale then he's ever been in any "in continuity" story

True, true. But you should read 'Whatever happened...' anyway, because it's absolutely brilliant. And Mtyzlplk rules anyway.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 9, 2005, 06:51 pm
True, true. But you should read 'Whatever happened...' anyway, because it's absolutely brilliant. And Mtyzlplk rules anyway.

agreed on both counts. :D

bravelybravesirrobin
Feb 10, 2005, 09:32 am
Pretty good list so far. Only changes I would have made is to have the Midnighter a LOT higher (near Jenny Sparks, who had better be top 10) and I would have given Beetle and Booster a joint spot, to reflect the way they are fantastic characters when together as a double act, but not so much separately.

Who I predict to be near the top:
Morpheus
Jesse Custer
Cassidy
Green Arrow (hopefully)
Batman
Superman
Bugs Bunny
John Constantine (hopefully)
Wonder Woman
Jenny Sparks (hopefully)

ON a related note, preempting anyone opposing Mtzlpyk's entry should read Alan Moore's 'Whatever happened to the Man of Steel?'. He absolutely rules in that.



While I agree with that assessment 100% and want it as my Top 10 as well the only problem I see at a glance is that there aren't any Watchmen characters in it and Rorscarch, Dr Manhattan and Ozymandias all deserve spots on this list (probably the Comedian as well)

Other notables not in your top 10 are Luthor and the Joker so i think the Pereacher characters and possibly Green Arrow will be edged out for some of these.

evilomar
Feb 10, 2005, 01:14 pm
Hellz yeah Blue Beetle and Booster Gold made the list, that made my day. Can't wait to see the rest.

NMBradbury
Feb 10, 2005, 03:52 pm
While I agree with that assessment 100% and want it as my Top 10 as well the only problem I see at a glance is that there aren't any Watchmen characters in it and Rorschach, Dr Manhattan and Ozymandias all deserve spots on this list (probably the Comedian as well)

Other notables not in your top 10 are Luthor and the Joker so i think the Preacher characters and possibly Green Arrow will be edged out for some of these.

Yeah, I was sort of drifting off earlier today, in a chemistry lesson, when the Watchmen and Lex popped into my head. I agree that they're more likely to be near the top (and with the Watchmen, creates an odd point that characters based on other characters are 'better' than the characters on which they are based, if you see what I mean). Of the list that I did, I don't really expect the Preacher characters, Constantine or Ollie Queen to be top 10, they're just some of my favourites that I'd like to see near the top. The others in the list are ones that I think more likely to be top 10.

If the list was up to me, most of the Preacher cast would be top 20 (Custer, Cassidy, Tulip, Starr, even Arseface) alongside John Constantine, Morpheus, Death, Jenny Sparks, Green Arrow, Lex Luthor, Batman and, as you say, Rorschach, Comedian, Manhattan and Ozymandias.

I apologise for the slight Vertigo nut lean of this post.

Dylan McKay
Feb 10, 2005, 08:39 pm
It is weird that Watchmen characters are "better" than the originals. But that said, even if we did a top 700 I doubt Peter Cannon: Thunderbolt would have made the list. (In the original pitch, he was Ozymandius.)

At the end of the day though, we have 50 characters left and plenty of surprises...and dissapointments. But I hope you'll enjoy the list and the write ups. I think all the contributors do a great job of explaining why the characters deserve their spots.

raul grau
Feb 10, 2005, 09:44 pm
I disagree that the Watchmen are 'better' than their Charlton predecessors, it is just that they have certain advantages. Blue Beetle, Question, Captain Atom and the others have passed through the hands of many writers and been reinterpreted for a whole new universe. Nite Owl, Rorschach, Doctor Manhattan and the Watchmen had only one set of appearances, and only one writer... and it was Alan Moore, which is a boon. They have never been dramatically altered (some would say ruined) by another, so they remain as meaningful and undiluted as they were in 1986... try saying that about Captain Atom, who has had three costumes, three origins, and umpteen personalities.

That said, I still prefer Blue Beetle to Nite Owl... control top spandex goes a long way. :)

- Raul

Dylan McKay
Feb 10, 2005, 09:57 pm
Blue Beetle is better than Nite Owl, and I personally think The Question is better than Rorshach, but then again, I think The Question is the best street level vigilante period. Way better than Batman. Captain Atom definatly suffers from lacking a pure vision. JLE Atom is a great character, everything else, forgettable. If I'm not mistaken, during the JLI/JLE period, Beetle, Booster and Atom where DC's 3 most popular characters.

That said, Peter Cannon and Peacemaker are inferior to Ozymandius and Comedian.

Jon Hancock
Feb 10, 2005, 11:46 pm
What about Judo Master? I never got where he fit into the whole Watchmen parallel.

Dylan McKay
Feb 10, 2005, 11:47 pm
Maybe one of the golden age heroes...

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 11, 2005, 01:09 am
the Charlton characters have never appealed to me, but i love the Watchmen...and i think they're better characters for the very reason Raul gives: their characterization comes from a single creative vision, rather than the sometimes bumbling hands of creators who don't know what to do with them or are forced to make changes by editorial edict. so yes, the Watchmen have advantages...that would thus make them better characters. ;)

Dylan McKay
Feb 11, 2005, 01:51 am
I think you'd really like the Dennis O'Neil, Denys Cowan Question though Jordan.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 11, 2005, 07:08 pm
yeah, but that's just cuz i love Dennis O'Neil. :)

Dylan McKay
Feb 11, 2005, 10:25 pm
Yeah, and Dennis O'Neil writing a mature readers series at his politically/scoially conscious best, that is just a recipe for success...

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 11, 2005, 10:35 pm
is it collected anywhere, or do i need to hunt down back issues?

Dylan McKay
Feb 11, 2005, 10:40 pm
Sadly, never been collected.

Fortunatly, it's usually pretty inexpensive.

Sadly, they can be hard to track down. Out of 6 shops in the greater Vancouver area I've been to, three have back issues, one, my usual shop, I've cleaned out.

Fortunatly, most stories are one shots and very little over three parts, so even if you just snatch one issue here and there, it still rules.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 11, 2005, 10:45 pm
awesome, i'll keep an eye out. Thanks, Dylan.