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raul grau
Mar 29, 2006, 01:40 am
<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/comixfanpresents.gif" align=left border=0 hspace=10 alt="Comixfan Presents logo">The Top Ten Cosmic Objects

By: Jon Hancock, Matt Lazorwitz, Jordan T. Maxwell, Gary Miller
Editors: Raul Grau, Jordan T. Maxwell

Last week, Comixfan examined the alien landscape of our fictional universes by highlighting those Top Ten Alien Races (http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=38266) found amongst the great unknown, but now we begin our journey beyond mere extraterrestrial life, beyond conventional space, beyond the unknown, into the unknowable. There are powers far greater than healing factors and tall building bounding, where cosmic forces rend reality and test the limits of time. Of course, not every character can reach the cosmic realm unaided, but if you are fortunate enough to find a funny hat with a Lord of Order bound inside, then you too can clash with the gods (and goddesses... sexism is so very mortal).

From Nega Bands to Quantum Bands, from the Starbrand to the Starheart, the omniverse is literally littered with cosmic trinkets... any mystic with a sanctum has dozens of Orbs and Eyes to choose from... so how can you determine which otherworldly objects are gifts from the gods? The cosmic couch potatoes of Comixfan were willing to wade through the wands, all to determine which archetypal symbol was the most symbolic. Here are the ten objects that might not be sold at a store near you, but are certainly worth their warranty.

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<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top10cosmicobjects/Lasso.jpg" align=left hspace=10 alt="Lasso of Truth"></a>#10 Lasso of Truth

First Appearance: All Star Comics #8 (DC)
Created by: William Moulton Marston

Like Wonder Woman herself, the Lasso of Truth is an item right out of mythology. Not literally, mind you, but it is traditional in heroic cycles for the gods to bestow their chosen champion with divine gifts and tools for use in their coming trials and battles. Diana has been blessed with many such gifts, but her Lasso is the greatest and possibly the most iconic. And for good reason, as the Lasso is a perfect metaphor for Wonder Woman's character. Strong and unbreakable as steel, yet flexible and gentle. Even its greatest power, the ability to pull the truth from whomever it binds, is one that Diana herself innately possesses to some degree (one would have to in order to be the Goddess of Truth, for however short a time). While some maintain that the Lasso is a symbol of bondage, and makes Wonder Woman some kind of BDSM male fantasy, it is much more complex than that. If the truth shall set you free (as another divine champion once said), then through the bondage of the lasso one finds a kind of freedom. Like Wonder Woman's mission in the Patriarch's World...a fierce warrior teaching peace...the Lasso is a paradox, but there is power in that contradiction, if only symbolically. Also, the Lasso (and Wonder Woman)'s creator helped invent the lie detector machine. That kind of synchronicity has to earn you a few points.

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<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top10cosmicobjects/Hammer.jpg" align=left hspace=10 alt="Mjolnir"></a>#9 Mjolnir

First Appearance: Journey Into Mystery #83 (Marvel)
Created by: Stan Lee and Jack Kirby

"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of... Thor!" So the inscription read when lame physician, Dr. Donald Blake, was first transformed into mighty Marvel's Norse God of Thunder. Forged by Eitri, Brok, and Buri, enchanted by Odin, Mjolnir (in English, "That Which Smashes") was first carried by Odin himself. Later, the elder Asgardian subjected his teen son Thor to a number of tests before he could carry the weapon. Since then, only a select few besides Thor have been able to heft the hammer: among them, the alien Beta Ray Bill, Earth's own Eric Masterson (the late Thunderstrike), Captain America, and Krypton's Superman! The hammer's powers are numerous, from interdimensional travel, to flight, to the now-lost power of time travel. Mjolnir can even be used as a conduit for the considerable cosmic power of its owner. Its most astonishing feats include shattering a Celestial's head, negating the Juggernaut's force field, and absorbing and redirecting a bomb set to obliterate an entire galaxy! Its cosmic storms even defeated the living planet, Ego. Its power great, its weaknesses few, all vile miscreants shouldst fear yon Uru mallet!

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<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top10cosmicobjects/Surfer_sboard.jpg" align=left hspace=10 alt="Cosmic Surfboard"></a>#8 Cosmic Surfboard

First Appearance: Fantastic Four #48 (Marvel)
Created by: Stan Lee and Jack Kirby

The Silver Surfer is one of the most iconic figures from Marvel’s Silver Age (no pun intended), one of those legendary Lee & Kirby creations, and part of that iconic quality comes from his distinctive look. And that look, as well as his name, derive from his mode of transport: the Cosmic Surfboard. Soaring above Earth and alien worlds, looking upon humanity and other species with his unique detached perspective, the Surfer’s board is his trademark. His power flows through it, and it is as much a part of him as his own arm. It is so connected with the Surfer that when Doctor Doom stole his powers, the board was taken by Doom (who never struck me as much of a surfer). It is also a true sign of his alien nature. We view surfing as something intrinsically tied to the sea, and while the Surfer has talked of flying through the tides of space, there is something about seeing a surfboard coasting through the air that really shows the cosmic nature of the character; it is something that defies our expectations and our way of thinking.

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<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top10cosmicobjects/BookofDestiny.jpg" align=left hspace=10 alt="Book of Destiny"></a>#7 Book of Destiny

First Appearance: Weird Mystery Tales #1 (DC)
Created by: Marv Wolfman and Berni Wrightson

Originally dubbed the Cosmic Log in Destiny's first appearances, the Book of Destiny contains every event that has happened, is happening, or ever will happen. Everything that happens to everyone, everywhere. It cannot be erased or altered. And it is not writing itself as it goes along. Every word has been there since the dawn of time. One could easily flip through its pages and see the future...if one were willing to carry such dangerous knowledge. For that is the power and the burden of Destiny's Book. Knowledge. The knowing of every event that will occur throughout the expanse of eternity, and the inability to change any of it. The chain that binds the Book to Destiny's arm is the chain that binds us all to our own fate. And yet, as all the Endless are defined by their opposites, Destiny and his Book represent freedom. Because we can choose whether we look at the Book or not, whether we know and accept our fate or continue to choose and explore, learn and grow. And perhaps it is not that we merely act out what the Book says, but that it chronicles that which we would have done regardless. The Endless serve humanity, not the other way around. And as Delirium says, there are things that the Book does not know. Mysteries and magic, the romance of WHY things occur, rather than just the fact that they did, have, or will. That is the joint power and beauty of Destiny's Book. The knowledge contained on its dry dusty pages and the mysteries that it speaks not of.

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<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top10cosmicobjects/Death_sAnkh2.jpg" align=left hspace=10 alt="Ankh of Death"></a>#6 Ankh of Death

First Appearance: Sandman v.2 #8 (DC)
Created by: Neil Gaiman and Mike Dringenberg

The Endless are not gods. They are as far above gods as gods are above mere mortals. And yet, just as gods are brought into being by the dreams of men, so too do the Endless serve their functions among the mortal and immortal worlds. To facilitate this function, they each have their sigils. For Death, second eldest of the Endless, her sigil is a simple silver ankh...Egyptian symbol for life and immortality. At first glance, the notion of Death wearing a symbol of life may seem ironic. But once you begin to understand her full function, the irony fades and the truth is illuminated. Life and death are part of the same cycle. They define one another, because life loses some of its precious nature if it has no end. You can live for centuries, millennia even, from one end of eternity to the next...if there is no death, then life has no meaning. So when Death says her ankh is "the most important thing in the whole universe," she isn't being either boastful or glib. The ankh IS life because it brings death. It is not the source of Death's power. It is the embodiment of her function. There is no life without death there to define it.

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<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top10cosmicobjects/UltimateNullifier.jpg" align=left hspace=10 alt="Ultimate Nullifier"></a>#5 The Ultimate Nullifier

First Appearance: Fantastic Four #50 (Marvel)
Created by: Stan Lee and Jack Kirby

What could be deadlier than a weapon that could wipe out virtually everything, including any who dare to use it? First found in Galactus' immense starbase, Taa II, the Nullifier is the ultimate weapon (it says so in the title). Few have even seen the object, still fewer have used it, and even fewer than that have survived its use. Among all things in the universe, it is the only object to scare the proverbial (not literal) pants off of Galactus. During the Infinity War, Quasar once used the Nullifier in an ill-fated attempt to rid the universe of the threat of the Magus, but instead found himself trapped beyond the veil in "The White Room" (with black curtains, near the station...) while Marvel Boy, an older Protector, stole his place in reality. From there, its wielders became progressively less cool. Morg, Galactus' renegade herald, succeeded in "nullifying" Galactus and Tyrant, without suffering ill effects. And the Fantastic Four's multidimensional nemesis Abraxas plotted to use the Nullifier to erase all of reality, but Reed Richards stopped his threat, using the Nullifier to destroy and reorder reality himself, giving life to those Abraxas had killed, also stripping his son Franklin of his cosmic powers and returning his then-teen daughter to her mother's womb. What more could you ask of a cosmic weapon? (And in case you were wondering, I stand by the assertion that Quasar is cooler than Reed Richards.)

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<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top10cosmicobjects/InfinityGauntlet.jpg" align=left hspace=10 alt="Infinity Gauntlet"></a>#4 The Infinity Gauntlet/Gems

First Appearance: (As Soul Gems) Avengers Annual #7; (As Infinity Gems/Gauntlet) Thanos Quest #2 (Marvel)
Created by: Jim Starlin

When Adam Warlock was given a Soul Gem by the High Evolutionary, it seemed simply to be another weapon or tool for the character. But when writer Jim Starlin took over Warlock’s adventures, he made the gem something more, a vampiric entity that stole the souls of others. And it was through Starlin’s other great character, Thanos of Titan, that the gem's true power was revealed. The six Infinity Gems, as Starlin dubbed them, were Soul, Time, Space, Power, Mind, and Reality and, when used in concert, the gems made the bearer a god. Thanos took the gems and created the potent Infinity Gauntlet. He used the Gauntlet to remake reality, and through this was crafted one of the greatest stories in Marvel Comics history. While others have possessed the Gauntlet, it is in that first story that it was used to its fullest. As the tale reaches its crescendo, the lesson learned is that the power of a god cannot be possessed by a mortal, and so the gems were separated. But it was as the Gauntlet that they proved most interesting, their power used to present a story of godhood found and lost, and what one can and must do with that great power.

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<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top10cosmicobjects/KeytoHell2.jpg" align=left hspace=10 alt="Key to Hell"></a>#3 The Key to Hell

First Appearance: Sandman v.2 #22 (DC)
Created by: Neil Gaiman and Kelly Jones

Hell is a locale that has appeared in more than one comic book series, but in Neil Gaiman’s visionary tale, The Sandman, Hell is presented as something more than a place of torment. It is the home of Lucifer Morningstar, the Devil who gives up his throne. And when he does, he presents Morpheus, Dream of the Endless, with the one Key to Hell. The key, drawn by Kelly Jones, was a thing of gothic beauty, twisted and gnarled and deadly looking, but with a certain appeal. With the key in his possession, gods, demons, and angels came down on the castle of Dream, demanding, as the story addresses it, a prime piece of psychic real estate. Morpheus is faced with the question of who really deserves to be handed the key, and in the end it returns to the one who was its original owner, Yaweh, and the angel Duma takes up the burden. The key has appeared since, in Mike Carey’s Lucifer, and has passed through a couple of other hands, but it remains what it was originally, a symbol of dread responsibility that must be taken up and held by one who is willing to wield it.

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<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top10cosmicobjects/CosmicCube.jpg" align=left hspace=10 alt="Cosmic Cube"></a>#2 The Cosmic Cube

First Appearance: Tales of Suspense #79 (Marvel)
Created by: Stan Lee and Jack Kirby

The Red Skull used it to shape the Falcon into Captain America's ideal partner. Thanos used it to order reality to his whim. The Aquarian used it to mature his own mind. The Cube has been considered the premier object of power in the Marvel Universe since nearly its first appearance, when created by the scientists of AIM. Since then, the legend of the Cube has grown exponentially. Its energies came from a dimension of godlike beings known as the Beyonders (yes, related to that Beyonder....somehow). Funneled into this reality and stored in deceptively simple, cube-shaped containers, that energy has the power to grant its bearer whatever he or she imagines. Over time, other Cubes in the galaxy have evolved into sentient forms, their personalities formed by their bearers. The Skrull Cube became the Shaper of Worlds, and one of Earth's Cubes turned into Kubik. Lately, however, a Cube briefly returned into the hands of the Skull, who used its power to plague Cap, the X-Men, and a host of minor heroes. The Cube's present whereabouts are unknown, but so long as there is darkness and desire in the hearts of men, the ultimate power offered by the Cosmic Cube will only be a stray thought away...

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<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/top10cosmicobjects/LanternRing.jpg" align=left hspace=10 alt="Green Lantern Ring"></a>#1 Green Lantern Ring/Battery

First Appearance: Showcase #22 (DC)
Created by: John Broome and Gil Kane

The most powerful weapon in the universe. Need I say more?

Well, according to our editor, yes, I do. What's a cop without a gun? Apart from British, that is. The Green Lantern Corps are the universe's most successful police force and that is primarily due to their armaments. However, the ring and the battery are more than mere point and shoot tools. Powered by the user's will, these emerald trinkets can do literally anything the bearer chooses. As long as they're creative and strong enough to cope with it, of course. And that's what makes the ring so amazing. It is a great weapon, the best weapon, but it is only as good as its user. The way the person wields it makes it more or less useful. The ring has been used to make giant boxing gloves (apparently a staple attack) and to travel through time. It's everything you'd ever want. Of course, ultimate power leads to corruption, and the beauty of the ring is the stories of the people who've wielded it, and how they all seem to go loopy. But this isn't about them. It's about the world's most powerful bling. So, you've got an extremely powerful weapon, a plot device that leads to fantastic stories, a recognisable symbol that has made it into various other types of media. Anything else? Oh yeah, the coolest catchphrase in the history of comics. Repeat after me folks: "IN BRIGHTEST DAY..." Well, you know the rest...

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So there you have the Top 10 Cosmic Objects, those incredible items that can either give life, or snuff it out forever, but always bestow a memorable storyline on their readers. Though, as was emphasized here repeatedly, no amount of reality-defying raiments can ever take the place of solid characterization, and it is as much the power bearer as the power source that accounts for cosmic-levels of popularity. Of course, this is not the end of our journey through all things cosmic, so stay tuned to Comixfan throughout the month of March to continue your time/space trip, and keep your eyes peeled for our other Cosmic offerings (http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=38059).

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Ankh of Death, Book of Destiny, Lasso of Truth: Jordan T. Maxwell
Cosmic Cube, Mjolnir, Ultimate Nullifier: Gary Miller
Cosmic Surfboard, Infinity Gauntlet/Gems, Key to Hell: Matt Lazorwitz
Green Lantern Ring/Power Battery: Jon Hancock
Contributors: Will Carper, Tom Connolley, Nick Costanzo, Anthony Devlin, Raul Grau, James Groves, Magic Rabbit, T. Martin, Joel Phillips, Janne Pietikainen, Greg Reeves, Omar A. Safi, Tom Toner
Image Assistance: Zachary J. Morrison, Greg Reeves

The opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the writers involved, and are not reflective of Comixfan or its other staff in general.

Ann Nichols
Mar 29, 2006, 01:51 am
I'd have been annoyed if the Green Lantern ring/battery hadn't made the list.

Greg Reeves
Mar 29, 2006, 01:58 am
Those are some great pics... ;)

MrGreen
Mar 29, 2006, 02:14 am
I knew this list was coming and have been dreading it all the same. So predictable to have the Green Lantern ring at Number 1. I was hoping it would be at Number 5 or Number 3. The Infinity Gauntlet is so much more interesting and powerful. And the Cosmic Cube can completely reshape reality.
Mjolnir should be higher up as well. I know we all like to be fair and balanced by giving Vertigo and Wildstorm top places on these lists but Mjolnir shoud at least be Number 6.

BritishSeaPower
Mar 29, 2006, 02:15 am
Hrmmm.... I have real issues with this list. I normally enjoy the lists, but I feel like we got a cop-out here...

Half of the list isn't even comprised of Cosmic Origin.

Lasso of Truth - Mythic (DC's Olympic God's aren't in space)
Mjolnir - Mythic (Marvel's Norse gods exist in a different plane of existence, not space)
Book of Destiny - The Endless exist outside of space and time, not cosmic
Ankh of Death - The Same
Key to Hell - The Same


There seems to be a discrepancy in this. It's titled Cosmic Objects, but the summary on top makes concessions for non-cosmic objects. I don't get it? Cosmic objects = objects of or relating to the cosmos. I dunno, I'm ranting. Where are things like The Mother Box(es)? The Legion Flight Ring? Adam Strange's jet pack/Zeta Beamer? The Moonstones? The Vemon-Symbiote? I'd even venture to say that the Ultimate Nullifier and Cosmic Treadmill count. And the Time Bike and... well you see where I'm going. I don't know, maybe it's just me. But I'm bugged by the fact that most of these feel forced into the list...

MrGreen
Mar 29, 2006, 02:23 am
Hrmmm.... I have real issues with this list. I normally enjoy the lists, but I feel like we got a cop-out here...

Half of the list isn't even comprised of Cosmic Origin.

Lasso of Truth - Mythic (DC's Olympic God's aren't in space)
Mjolnir - Mythic (Marvel's Norse gods exist in a different plane of existence, not space)
Book of Destiny - The Endless exist outside of space and time, not cosmic
Ankh of Death - The Same
Key to Hell - The Same


There seems to be a discrepancy in this. It's titled Cosmic Objects, but the summary on top makes concessions for non-cosmic objects. I don't get it? Cosmic objects = objects of or relating to the cosmos. I dunno, I'm ranting. Where are things like The Mother Box(es)? The Legion Flight Ring? Adam Strange's jet pack/Zeta Beamer? The Moonstones? The Vemon-Symbiote? I'd even venture to say that the Ultimate Nullifier and Cosmic Treadmill count. And the Time Bike and... well you see where I'm going. I don't know, maybe it's just me. But I'm bugged by the fact that most of these feel forced into the list...

I agree completely and it is another reason why I hate this list only three minutes after seeing it. Mjolnir and the Lasso of Truth are not cosmic at all. I knew this was going to happen. Maybe the editorial staff thinks so but most comic fans will disagree. And if you're going to put the Green Lantern Ring down at Number 1 as a tribute to super hero history (I don't understand why else it would be on the list since most of the other items on the list could easily destroy it), the Mother Box should be at Number 2.
When a lot of people complain about a list like this, my advice is have everyone vote on the top picks, we could always use another poll.

BritishSeaPower
Mar 29, 2006, 02:27 am
Well, I'm a huge GL (Alan and Hal all the way) fan so I'll disagree with you on that point. But the fact of the matter is that the only one they make the case for is Thor's hammer able to affect the cosmic powers, but it's not of cosmic origin.

I'm not terribly happy about the inclusion of the ultimate nullifier, since if was made by Reed, but it beats the pants of Destiny's book. (And I love Sandman.) Now if this were a mythic object poll. Yeah, right on. Right there with the Eye Mygetoo(sp?) and The Symbol of the Seven.

MrGreen
Mar 29, 2006, 02:37 am
Well, I'm a huge GL (Alan and Hal all the way) fan so I'll disagree with you on that point. But the fact of the matter is that the only one they make the case for is Thor's hammer able to affect the cosmic powers, but it's not of cosmic origin.

No I'm a big Green Lantern fan as well, I just think that the Infinity Gauntlet should be Number 1 and Cosmic Cube at Number 2. The Cosmic Cube has provided so many great storylines and well the Infinity Gauntlet is the freakin Infinity Gauntlet. I could see the Green Lantern Ring at Number 3 though.
I really hate these kind of lists of the Top 10 or Top 20 of something because it is just a few people's opinions and something everyone has forgotten about is always left out even though it deserves to make the list.

Zachary J. Morrison
Mar 29, 2006, 02:51 am
Cool line-up. Glad to see the Green Lantern Ring/Battery as the #1 choice, since it's the coolest image ever, followed by the glorious cover of Silver Surfer's surfboard provided by Gabriele Dell'Otto, then the cover of Thor's hammer Mjolnir provided by Andrea DiVito (Thor #85 series finale), and then Wonder Woman's lasso.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Mar 29, 2006, 04:37 am
Those are some great pics... ;)

yeah. whoever found those pics must be a freaking genius or something. ;)

I knew this list was coming and have been dreading it all the same. So predictable to have the Green Lantern ring at Number 1. I was hoping it would be at Number 5 or Number 3. The Infinity Gauntlet is so much more interesting and powerful. And the Cosmic Cube can completely reshape reality.
Mjolnir should be higher up as well. I know we all like to be fair and balanced by giving Vertigo and Wildstorm top places on these lists but Mjolnir shoud at least be Number 6.

well, the Infinity Gauntlet has only provided one truly great story, whereas the Ring and Battery had provided numerous more stories of amazing quality. so i think that's why it ranked so high. and, for my own take, the Cosmic Cube (for all the great stories it's produced) is still just a freaking cube that can grant wishes, essentially. it lacks a certain iconic quality. I mean, it's a freaking cube. :P (though there was an ongoing joke regarding it during the nomination and voting process among the staff...i won't get into it, but it brought a smile to my face).

also...there were no Wildstorm items mentioned on this list. so i don't see the necessity in mentioning that.

Hrmmm.... I have real issues with this list. I normally enjoy the lists, but I feel like we got a cop-out here...

Half of the list isn't even comprised of Cosmic Origin.

Lasso of Truth - Mythic (DC's Olympic God's aren't in space)
Mjolnir - Mythic (Marvel's Norse gods exist in a different plane of existence, not space)
Book of Destiny - The Endless exist outside of space and time, not cosmic
Ankh of Death - The Same
Key to Hell - The Same


There seems to be a discrepancy in this. It's titled Cosmic Objects, but the summary on top makes concessions for non-cosmic objects. I don't get it? Cosmic objects = objects of or relating to the cosmos. I dunno, I'm ranting. Where are things like The Mother Box(es)? The Legion Flight Ring? Adam Strange's jet pack/Zeta Beamer? The Moonstones? The Vemon-Symbiote? I'd even venture to say that the Ultimate Nullifier and Cosmic Treadmill count. And the Time Bike and... well you see where I'm going. I don't know, maybe it's just me. But I'm bugged by the fact that most of these feel forced into the list...

we took a slight liberty since the definition of "cosmic" in comics is somewhat vague. so mystic and (as you note) mythic objects were also included in that realm. perhaps in the literal definition of the word, they don't fall quite so neatly. but in the realm of comics, they were regarded as being held within the same realm. there was a huge debate over what should and shouldn't be considered "cosmic," if that helps ease your mind at all.


I'm not terribly happy about the inclusion of the ultimate nullifier, since if was made by Reed, but it beats the pants of Destiny's book. (And I love Sandman.) Now if this were a mythic object poll. Yeah, right on. Right there with the Eye Mygetoo(sp?) and The Symbol of the Seven.

um...what? the Ultimate Nullifier was in no way designed by Reed Richards. It was found on Galactus' ship by the Human Torch during the planet eater's first appearance. so it is indeed, by any defintion, a cosmic object. and since it ranked higher than Destiny's Book, i'd say it did indeed beat the pants off of it. though perhaps only by a leg. ;)


I really hate these kind of lists of the Top 10 or Top 20 of something because it is just a few people's opinions and something everyone has forgotten about is always left out even though it deserves to make the list.

a few? we had a number of staff members come in and nominate and vote on the objects that would be included in the list. if you want to compile your own top 10, feel free. but unless you want us to poll the entire site or all of civilization, this is the best system you've got. just to be fair, though, there were more than just a select handful of opinions going into this list. what does and does not deserve to make the list is entirely subjective.

Commander Breetai
Mar 29, 2006, 07:29 am
but Reed Richards stopped his threat, using the Nullifier to destroy and reorder reality himself, giving life to those Abraxas had killed, also stripping his son Franklin of his cosmic powers and returning his then-teen daughter to her mother's womb.

Wot?!? Reed did this?!? A plague upon his head for taking cool teenage Valeria from us and leaving a baby behind. :wall: :rant: :bawl:

Magnus

Ovid
Mar 29, 2006, 10:59 am
If the truth shall set you free (as another divine champion once said), then through the bondage of the lasso one finds a kind of freedom.So, you're saying it's not a BDSM male fantasy? ;)
It is so connected with the Surfer that when Doctor Doom stole his powers, the board was taken by Doom (who never struck me as much of a surfer).:LOL: You haven't seen the power of DOCTOR DUDE!!!! :scared: :P
It is also a true sign of his alien nature. We view surfing as something intrinsically tied to the sea, and while the Surfer has talked of flying through the tides of space, there is something about seeing a surfboard coasting through the air that really shows the cosmic nature of the character; it is something that defies our expectations and our way of thinking.Wonderfully put! :yes:
(And in case you were wondering, I stand by the assertion that Quasar is cooler than Reed Richards.):nonono: No one is cooler than Reed Richards. :cool:
Half of the list isn't even comprised of Cosmic Origin.It's not a Space Objects list. Olympus is part of the Greco-Roman cosmos, Valhalla part of the Norse cosmos, Hell part of the Judaeo-Christian-Islamic cosmos etc. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
yeah. whoever found those pics must be a freaking genius or something. ;)Hear! Hear! Well done Zachary and Greg! :clap: :)
well, the Infinity Gauntlet has only provided one truly great story, whereas the Ring and Battery had provided numerous more stories of amazing quality.Exactly - the criteria is not based exclusively on power but just as much on Contributions to Co(s)mic History.
there were more than just a select handful of opinions going into this list. what does and does not deserve to make the list is entirely subjective.Except for the absence of the Helm of Nabu, which is an objective disgrace. :hmph:

Phasmal
Mar 29, 2006, 11:00 am
I agree that this list should have been postponed and thought out a little more. MY biggest hangup is with Death's Ankh. It's never the subject of a story, it is not much of an icon beyond what it means in this world, and it really has no power of its own. She doesn't use the ankh to take lives, she IS Death. She doesn't hold it up, rub it, or chant through it to make anything happen. It's as much a mecklace to her as it would be to anyone else. Plenty of stuff ranks as a better "cosmic" item than this.

SparkyX
Mar 29, 2006, 11:25 am
Damn these lists! As a GL fan I'm psyched to see the Power Ring/Central Battery as #1, but if that's #1, then #2 should be the Quantum Bands, worn by Marvel's forgotten and GL equivalent character: Quasar. (Though I hear Quasar does play some big part in this Annihlation story coming up, so why Ronan and/or Super Skrull gets a mini and Quasar doesn't I don't understand...) Ok, so his name is Wendall, which is pretty lame, wake Up Marvel... your GL equivalent (though NEVER equal to GL), is waiting to be re-vitalized!!!!

Long Live :glhal:

p0int5iv3
Mar 29, 2006, 01:08 pm
wake Up Marvel... your GL equivalent (though NEVER equal to GL), is waiting to be re-vitalized!!!!

Long Live :glhal:

I agree entirely

Alex Guillen
Mar 29, 2006, 01:26 pm
well I also have to agree with the list.
i think Destiny's book has to be the most interesting since you know the way of past, present and future events but can you really change it if you knew?

as for death's ankh, it's just a symbl but it can also be viewed as a sigil for the entity of death much ike the scythe is to the classic grim reaper. It is something that represents her but not meant to be an actual object of power much to the dismay of many as dream did with his helmet before (as explained in sndman vol.1 prelude and nocturnes).

Michael Regan
Mar 29, 2006, 01:41 pm
I can see the Mystic / Mythic / Cosmic problem from both angles, but in truth I have no problem with the list.

Realistically once you choose any item from one of these three catagories, its true function cannot be fully defined and will always be considered 'magical'.

Jon Hancock
Mar 29, 2006, 02:14 pm
Cosmic as a label has been taken much more as what it can do or what it can effect than it's origins. Thor's hammer can traverse time and space. Wondy's lassooooooo (hee) is totally unbreakable. These are cosmic properties outside of normal science or human achievement Imo.

I was pretty happy with the list. I might have dropped one of the Endless items for either the Helm of Nabu or the Mother Box and a Marvel one for a LOSH flight ring but that'd be me being a fanboy. And hey, the title says Comixfan presents... not one individual's opinion. If you look at the credits their is around 20 people involved in the process. More than any Wizard list :p

Logan Grey
Mar 29, 2006, 02:58 pm
Since then, only a select few besides Thor have been able to heft the hammer: among them, the alien Beta Ray Bill, Earth's own Eric Masterson (the late Thunderstrike), Captain America, and Krypton's Superman!

Don't forget Wonder Woman was another of those few worthy of carrying Mjolnir, in the DC vs. Marvel Saga.

She was offered its power so as to level the odds in her battle against Storm, (level might be an overstatement, more like allow her to fight thunder with thunder...) but gave it up choosing to battle with her own powers!!!

:thor: ------------------------ :wondy: VS: :storm:

James Groves
Mar 29, 2006, 03:16 pm
I knew this list was coming and have been dreading it all the same. So predictable to have the Green Lantern ring at Number 1. I was hoping it would be at Number 5 or Number 3. The Infinity Gauntlet is so much more interesting and powerful. And the Cosmic Cube can completely reshape reality.
Mjolnir should be higher up as well. I know we all like to be fair and balanced by giving Vertigo and Wildstorm top places on these lists but Mjolnir shoud at least be Number 6.

Predictability doesn't mean it's any less valid an entry; nor, indeed, any less valid as the #1 cosmic object. The Top Ten Super-Heroes would, in all liklihood, bring about the selection of Superman at #1. That would be predictable - but few would argue the reasoning behind it.

No I'm a big Green Lantern fan as well, I just think that the Infinity Gauntlet should be Number 1 and Cosmic Cube at Number 2. The Cosmic Cube has provided so many great storylines and well the Infinity Gauntlet is the freakin Infinity Gauntlet. I could see the Green Lantern Ring at Number 3 though.
I really hate these kind of lists of the Top 10 or Top 20 of something because it is just a few people's opinions and something everyone has forgotten about is always left out even though it deserves to make the list.

It strikes me that you do not like these lists simply because our opinion differs from your own.

Cosmic as a label has been taken much more as what it can do or what it can effect than it's origins. Thor's hammer can traverse time and space. Wondy's lassooooooo (hee) is totally unbreakable. These are cosmic properties outside of normal science or human achievement Imo.

I was pretty happy with the list. I might have dropped one of the Endless items for either the Helm of Nabu or the Mother Box and a Marvel one for a LOSH flight ring but that'd be me being a fanboy. And hey, the title says Comixfan presents... not one individual's opinion. If you look at the credits their is around 20 people involved in the process. More than any Wizard list :p

I agree: the Helm of Nabu and the Mother Box were objects that deserved recognition...but whether they could displace an entry in this Top Ten... I'm not so sure.

MrGreen
Mar 29, 2006, 04:49 pm
It strikes me that you do not like these lists simply because our opinion differs from your own.
While this is true, many of the objects on this Top Ten are not even cosmic. Thor's hammer, Wonder Woman's lasso, the Key to Hell, and the Book of Destiny have nothing to do with space. If you want to make a list of the Top Ten Comic Objects fine but don't call them cosmic.

BritishSeaPower
Mar 29, 2006, 05:06 pm
I don't know, I see the reasons for including the objects you did, but to me it defeats your whole point of having the list, to honor the Space/Cosmic Heroes of both universes. If you're going to include the lasso and hammer, the Bat-a-rang has to be there too, because, as we all know, given enough time to plan, Batman could kill God with it.

I also don't see this supposed mixing of mythic and mystic objects with cosmic ones. I just don't see Thor or Wonder Woman as cosmic heroes, they're no. The Endless aren't either. The former are Mythic Heroes who use the powers granted to them by there gods. The Endless are above all else. Cosmic heroes are rather easy to spot. Green Lantern. Silver Surfer. Adam Strange. The Legion of Super-Heroes. Quasar. The New Gods. Nova. The Skrulls. Genis and Mar. Captain Comet. etc., etc. I just don't understand why with so many cosmic/space characters and weapons to choose from we got totally unassociated objects? I'm not picking on anyone, I usually agree with the top 10 that's offered by comix-fan and they're usually fun. This one just really irked me.

::sigh.:: I don't know, perhaps I'm the only one annoyed by this.

Also to T. Martin, no there are no individual cosmos. There's only one, all encompassing one. The Pantheon's are part of the Greek understanding of the cosmos, it's a slight pain in the ass semantic difference, but a difference all the same.

HandofGod
Mar 29, 2006, 05:29 pm
I am also a little irate if you're going to include the mystic with the cosmic category then the Eye of Agammotto or the Helm of Nabu should def. have been on the list.
And I'm surprised no mother-box?

But even more disconcerting was making GL Ring as number one...yes it is powerful and many stories revolve around it but in terms of originality its not as cool as the Soul/Infinity gems...since they are not just gems but broken aspects of "God", God is not dead he is just broken up into differnt gems because he got bored, and "God" aspects have developed personalities of their own...the GL Ring won't stab you in the back if it doesn't like you.
Also which version? the original Alan Scott or the one made by blue midgets?
And before their was the GL Rings their was the Tolkien Rings of Power.
Several huge crossovers have included the Infinity Gem.
so in my opinion the gems are number 1.
1. originality 2. cosmic power 3. coolness.

I'd rather have the gems than a GL ring.

Ovid
Mar 29, 2006, 05:34 pm
Also to T. Martin, no there are no individual cosmos. There's only one, all encompassing one. The Pantheon's are part of the Greek understanding of the cosmos, Uh... no. 'Pantheon' is a collective noun for a given set of gods. 'Cosmos' designates the structure of the universe as interpreted by that religion/world-view. There's an Egyptian cosmos, a Greco-Roman one etc, in which the Egyptian/Greek/whatever pantheons live and act. Admittedly it gets more complicated with comics, because writers want to draw on all of the cosmoi (sp?) and pantheons, and so come up with the idea that they're alternate dimensions, planes or whatever. But either way when an object from one cosmos influences another, i.e. is unbounded by the restrictions of just the one cosmos, then that qualifies as a cosmic object in the same way that a normal object from one planet qualifies as 'alien' when taken to another context.

And I agree with HandofGod about the Eye and Helm. Personally I'd have dumped the Ultimate Nullifier and probably the ankh to make way.

Otherwise, a great list! :cheers:

James Groves
Mar 29, 2006, 06:03 pm
While this is true, many of the objects on this Top Ten are not even cosmic. Thor's hammer, Wonder Woman's lasso, the Key to Hell, and the Book of Destiny have nothing to do with space. If you want to make a list of the Top Ten Comic Objects fine but don't call them cosmic.

Ah, but it all depends on how you define "cosmic". Simply saying that cosmic = space is a pretty simple interpretation/definition of the term, IMO.

Jon Hancock
Mar 29, 2006, 06:27 pm
I disagree HoG. As I wrote, the ring does stab you in the back. Particularly if it's an old pre-Rebirth, yellow weakness one. Ultimate corruption of the most worthy user that leads to the whole of reality being rewritten? I'd say that's a stab in the back. I don't think the Gems have been involved in as many quality story as the GL rings either. The GL rings and battery are also iconic symbols recognised in many media forms. I place fame quite highly on my list of qualifications for top status. Power? I'd honestly say that Hal at his peak with the ring he has now could at least handle the Infinity Gauntlet. The ring can do anything the user wills and Hal's willpower is second to none (even if I loath the character ;)) In a fight? I'd pick the Gauntlet because it's easier to use. But that's besides the point. This isn't about what would win in a fight, it's about what is "TOP". That mystical abstract term. As for which version, well clearly the Oan one seeing as a) the Golden Age ring is completely different in substance and use(r) b) the entry only references the GLC and c) Raul mentions the Starheart as another item considered in his introduction :P

Some people just don't bother to read the justifications ;)

BSP, I can see your point. I personally think that the definition cosmic applies more to what the thing can do rather than where it comes from. It's about being so powerful that it gifts another with power solely through its abilities and properties. Taking someone to a 'cosmic' level. But I can see your grievance ;)

Let's face it, if we had a "Comixfan presents... the top ten numbers in numerical order from ten to one" then we'd have people upset somehow. This list is definitive to our staff who took part in the democratic process. Don't let it upset you. It really isn't worth it :)

I officially feel like the Grandad of Comixfan

HandofGod
Mar 29, 2006, 08:17 pm
I disagree with you on a fight between GL Hal vs the Infinity Gauntlet that's like a Guardian going against Phoenix, only the Gauntlet can be more powerful than Phoenix, Adam Warlock disbanded it, because the Living Tribunal said that a fight between the 2 would wreck havok and kill many in the universe, and AW decided that is not what he wanted.
As for media? Has GL ever had a whole video game revolve around it?
But I concede on GL being more popular thanks to the WB cartoon lineup.

And I am a firm believer that it is not that power curropts but that it attracts the curroptible...so IMO the Ring and its power doesn't have any malicious intent or ability to curropt...that comes from the user...which is differnt than an Infinity Gem, which do have their own intelligence and will.

Chris Day
Mar 29, 2006, 09:16 pm
you forgot Prestor John's Cosmic Rod

:LOL:

Jordan T. Maxwell
Mar 29, 2006, 10:39 pm
yeah, i think Mother Box would have been totally deserving. but i can't think of an item on the list i'd want to sacrifice for it. if it had made it though instead of, say, the Cosmic Cube, i would say the same thing...only in reverse.

wait, let me draw a diagram...where are you going?


Hear! Hear! Well done Zachary and Greg! :clap: :)


wait...but...I...dammit! :(

I agree that this list should have been postponed and thought out a little more. MY biggest hangup is with Death's Ankh. It's never the subject of a story, it is not much of an icon beyond what it means in this world, and it really has no power of its own. She doesn't use the ankh to take lives, she IS Death. She doesn't hold it up, rub it, or chant through it to make anything happen. It's as much a mecklace to her as it would be to anyone else. Plenty of stuff ranks as a better "cosmic" item than this.

um, we spent a good deal amount of time on the list and thought it out quite a bit, thank you very much. if we'd taken more time, it merely would've led to the same conclusions and delayed the list coming out. go back and read my entry for the Ankh. i never claimed she does anything with it. but it is an embodiment of her function. in the world of Sandman, populated by gods and personifications of fundamental forces of reality, symbols are INCREDIBLY powerful.

While this is true, many of the objects on this Top Ten are not even cosmic. Thor's hammer, Wonder Woman's lasso, the Key to Hell, and the Book of Destiny have nothing to do with space. If you want to make a list of the Top Ten Comic Objects fine but don't call them cosmic.

we've already gone over this a few times now, so please try and pay attention. in the realm of comics, the term "cosmic" means a lot more than just "space related." we took that into account while working on these lists and had exhaustive arguments as to who and what qualified. since these other godly realms (Asgard, Olympus, Hell, etc.) are part of larger cosmologies, we regarded them as cosmic. because it's a fine line between another dimension in space and more spiritual dimensions. the definition is not as clear cut as you seem to believe.

I don't know, I see the reasons for including the objects you did, but to me it defeats your whole point of having the list, to honor the Space/Cosmic Heroes of both universes. If you're going to include the lasso and hammer, the Bat-a-rang has to be there too, because, as we all know, given enough time to plan, Batman could kill God with it.

um, no...unless Batman had a Batarang constructed of Uru metal and forged by Hephaestus, it wouldn't count. otherwise, we'd have included Green Arrow's bolt that struck down Parallax. well, probably not since that story sucked. ;) but regardless, there ARE criteria here. and it's not to honor Space characters, stories or objects...but COSMIC heroes, stories and objects. which is a much larger realm.

and what's this "of both universes" stuff? we considered a lot more than just Marvel and DC when putting these lists together.

I also don't see this supposed mixing of mythic and mystic objects with cosmic ones. I just don't see Thor or Wonder Woman as cosmic heroes, they're no. The Endless aren't either. The former are Mythic Heroes who use the powers granted to them by there gods. The Endless are above all else. Cosmic heroes are rather easy to spot. Green Lantern. Silver Surfer. Adam Strange. The Legion of Super-Heroes. Quasar. The New Gods. Nova. The Skrulls. Genis and Mar. Captain Comet. etc., etc. I just don't understand why with so many cosmic/space characters and weapons to choose from we got totally unassociated objects? I'm not picking on anyone, I usually agree with the top 10 that's offered by comix-fan and they're usually fun. This one just really irked me.

agree to disagree. the definition we used for "cosmic" is different from yours. move on.


Also to T. Martin, no there are no individual cosmos. There's only one, all encompassing one. The Pantheon's are part of the Greek understanding of the cosmos, it's a slight pain in the ass semantic difference, but a difference all the same.

but when it comes to comics and fiction, those understandings take on a very literal reality. so that you do have places like Asgard and Olympus and the 5th Dimension and an anti-matter universe and Heaven and Hell and Mojoworld and Apokolips and New Genesis and alternate realities and so on and so on...often existing side by side in the same overall cosmos. is it how our actual cosmos works? well, unless you want to get into some screwy areas of quantum mechanics or theology, probably not. but in comics, they do. so we considered them all.

MrGreen
Mar 29, 2006, 11:28 pm
we've already gone over this a few times now, so please try and pay attention. in the realm of comics, the term "cosmic" means a lot more than just "space related." we took that into account while working on these lists and had exhaustive arguments as to who and what qualified. since these other godly realms (Asgard, Olympus, Hell, etc.) are part of larger cosmologies, we regarded them as cosmic. because it's a fine line between another dimension in space and more spiritual dimensions. the definition is not as clear cut as you seem to believe.

I have been paying attention this whole time so don't treat me like I'm a toddler. Not everyone in "the realm of comics" thinks of the term cosmic as you select staff members do. Cosmic stories generally do have to do with space. I had assumed this is what you meant by the word cosmic since the whole Cosmic March event was created to celebrate Annihilation, a story happening in space. All of the other articles written so far in Cosmic March have to do with space.
The items you label as "cosmic" in this article are items of immense power but that is all they have in common.

raul grau
Mar 30, 2006, 01:55 am
I had assumed this is what you meant by the word cosmic since the whole Cosmic March event was created to celebrate Annihilation, a story happening in space. All of the other articles written so far in Cosmic March have to do with space.Actually, Comic March (which will extend a bit into April... we just have too much content to respect the calendar) came about when I noticed that Silver Surfer and Galactus were approaching their fortieth anniversary. The connection to Annihilation was simply serendipitous (and clever scheduling on Marvel's part), but as much as the Silver is a spaceborne character, Galactus pushed the event into the cosmic realm. Sure, he travels the universe... consuming the universe, but he represents that Arthur C. Clarke level of technology indistinguishable from magic. Hence, the shared focus on non-traditional, and non-extraterrestrial elements. However, thank you for reading our related releases, and I promise you other interesting stuff to argue about coming soon. ;)

As for this particular list, there are some placements that I personally do not agree with, but that is the drawback of democracy... free and equal exchanges tend to slight Quantum Bands and Mundane Eggs (both of which I championed, to no avail... did not even have room to slip them into my introduction). That said, I feel finished product accurately represents the consensus of the staff, and provides a fine sampling of cosmic delights... and Gary referenced the coolness of Quasar, so I approve of our work. :)

- Raul

MrGreen
Mar 30, 2006, 02:12 am
As for this particular list, there are some placements that I personally do not agree with, but that is the drawback of democracy... free and equal exchanges tend to slight Quantum Bands and Mundane Eggs (both of which I championed, to no avail... did not even have room to slip them into my introduction). That said, I feel finished product accurately represents the consensus of the staff, and provides a fine sampling of cosmic delights... and Gary referenced the coolness of Quasar, so I approve of our work.
- Raul
I just wish we were all given the opportunity to vote on this and not just a select few. Maybe a list of all the objects could have been compiled a week beforehand and we could all post our opinions on what should be on the list. Whatever, thanks for the explanation Raul and not treating me as if I'm a toddler.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Mar 30, 2006, 03:19 am
I have been paying attention this whole time so don't treat me like I'm a toddler. Not everyone in "the realm of comics" thinks of the term cosmic as you select staff members do. Cosmic stories generally do have to do with space. I had assumed this is what you meant by the word cosmic since the whole Cosmic March event was created to celebrate Annihilation, a story happening in space. All of the other articles written so far in Cosmic March have to do with space.
The items you label as "cosmic" in this article are items of immense power but that is all they have in common.

how did i treat you like a toddler? we'd already explained how we were considering the definition of cosmic and yet you continued to rant as though nothing had been said on the matter. you may not agree with it, but it's what we decided on after much deliberation and debate so...sorry if you don't like it. expect to be further pissed off with future lists.

again, it's not like the staff is some secret elitist cabal out to push our own agenda on everyone. there was a lot of disagreement and compromise involved here as to what did and did not qualify. i think we represented the larger scale meaning of cosmic as it applies to comics. you may disagree. that's fine. but you seem to be writing this off as some sort of arbitrary decision, which it was far from. please keep that in mind for your future accusations.

I just wish we were all given the opportunity to vote on this and not just a select few. Maybe a list of all the objects could have been compiled a week beforehand and we could all post our opinions on what should be on the list. Whatever, thanks for the explanation Raul and not treating me as if I'm a toddler.

and yet even if this...or ANY list we've ever done in the history of the site (which have all been of a similar format)...there would still be a number of people, perhaps yourself included, that would take issue with the entries selected. nature of the beast. plus, the task of coordinating something like that would be so incredibly difficult that it would render the entire project not worth doing. it's hard enough with just us "select staff members."

and i didn't treat you like a toddler. get over it.

Jon Hancock
Mar 30, 2006, 08:17 am
HoG, how may people have Infinity Gauntlet tatoos :p Or t-shirts :p

The GL lantern symbol is way more recognised.

Michael Regan
Mar 30, 2006, 10:01 am
HoG, how may people have Infinity Gauntlet tatoos :p Or t-shirts :p

The GL lantern symbol is way more recognised.

Ah, but which has more power? Which is more of a potential threat? Not that power should really have a solid influence on the list.

With that said I just thought... given their similar levels of poptential, which is actually more powerful, the Infinity Gauntlet or a Cosmic Cube?

MrGreen
Mar 30, 2006, 10:54 am
Yep shouldn't have overreacted, my apologies.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Mar 30, 2006, 02:58 pm
Yep shouldn't have overreacted, my apologies.

no, it's cool, i'm sorry too. shouldn't have been QUITE so snitty and abrasive in my responses. just having a really weird week...

HandofGod
Mar 30, 2006, 04:20 pm
the Infinity Gauntlet is more powerful than a cosmic cube.
The cube can only grant one wish the way I understand it, but the Gems make u "God"

Yea JoN I conceded with you GL are more popular...thank you WB!

x-cess
Mar 30, 2006, 07:33 pm
nice list, but as an x-fan, i miss the m'kraan crystal. but then again, the x-men aren't really cosmic heros.
btw, i dont really like the inclusion of several mythic objects either.

Will Carper
Mar 30, 2006, 07:38 pm
nice list, but as an x-fan, i miss the m'kraan crystal.

It was nominated, IIRC.

Jim Learning
Oct 13, 2008, 01:06 am
The fact that K'Kruhk's Freakin' Sweet Hat didn't make the cut makes me ashamed that I used to be on staff here. :shame: :~( :P

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/K%27Kruhk%27s_hat

Jen0608
Nov 22, 2008, 01:15 am
I am into the Key to Hell and I believe that's what makes some of the parts of the Sandman.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Nov 23, 2008, 05:43 pm
holy crap, i'd forgotten we even wrote this. that's so weird, reading your own writing when you don't remember writing it!