Unresolved Plots/Old Storylines

Mesran · Mar 18, 2004, 08:50 pm

Reboot time.

The old thread can be found here.

John Otis · Mar 19, 2004, 12:19 pm

Does anyone remember that whole Sebastion Shaw.....making a deal with an ancient evil thing that was going on during kelly and seagle's run? What was meant to happen with that....anyone know?

cypherlock · Mar 19, 2004, 12:31 pm

I was just thinking a lot about the old All New, All Deadly X-men.

For those who never read it, one of the Prime Sentinels tried to access Cerebro, and an error in a failsafe ended up dumping the Cerebro program into the Prime Sentinels nanotechnological body, and the merger created a sentient, living Cerebro. Because Charles was the mind it was most used to being with, it imitated him, even appearing has him for awhile, as well as organizing his own "X-men" based on versions of mutants he'd met over the years. Each "X-man" was like a composite of a bunch of other mutants... Does everyone know WHICH mutants that each was based on? Lemme take a shot at it...

CRUX: Fire and Ice, that's easy. Fire, Sunfire, Ice, Iceman. I also thought that she looked physically a bit like Jubilee, and her mask looked... familiar... is it Destiny that it resembles or someone from the MLF?

MERCURY: This one's fairly easy--he looks physically like Colossus, and even can armor up like him (sort of), but he has claw-fingers, and I'm not sure who that's based on. He has magnetic powers, too (Magneto/Polaris). His background is that he's a secret agent... Who's that based on?

LANDSLIDE: Looks like Sabretooth and the Blob, with a little BEast mixed in. Am I detecting a little Wolverine in here too? Another one, really subtle--he has a section of hair that's white, AND he speaks with a heavy southern accent... Rogue!

RAPTURE: Looks like Mystique (even has her skull jewelry) with wings like Archangel, a sword like... um... I dunno, at teh time, maybe Shatterstar? Not sure though. Did she have any other powers?

GREY KING: Easy, first off, it's a combo Black King/White King. Second, red hair and telepathic powers? Jean Grey, easy. Ability to cancel out other powers? Either Leech or Wipeout. And then, he's an "old friend" in the memory playback, so I'm guessing Magneto or Banshee.

CHAOS: "Daniel Dash" fired energy from one of his eyes (Cyclops) that radiated out in a "concentric circle" blast formation (Havok). He even makes mention of his love for his "brother." Also, his costume is almost like Havok's, but it's wrapped with bandages (Chamber). Finally, he's autistic (M).

ANyone else remember these guys? Too bad they were never real people, they were cool characters.

*Marty P* · Mar 19, 2004, 03:39 pm

After re-reading X-men # 39 yesterday (the one with Adam X, the X-treme finding and taking care of Grampa Summers), on the last panel we see the homage to Uncanny # 94.

It has someone watching Scott and Jean on a monitor.

He on his turn is being watched by Sinister on a monitor.
(yes, this time they did get the colors right

)

Now my question is, was it ever revealed who the first watcher was???

chris g. · Mar 19, 2004, 05:33 pm

who is the other summers brother

*Marty P* · Mar 19, 2004, 05:36 pm

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Originally posted by chris g.
who is the other summers brother

This was never really revealed.

Some believe it's Gambit, some say it's Adam X, the X-treme.

Ever since I read X-men # 39, I strongly believe it was intended to be Adam X....but that was the last appaerance of him IIRC.

cypherlock · Mar 19, 2004, 06:02 pm

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Originally posted by Magik the Darkchild

This was never really revealed.

Some believe it's Gambit, some say it's Adam X, the X-treme.

Ever since I read X-men # 39, I strongly believe it was intended to be Adam X....but that was the last appaerance of him IIRC.

If there even is one. Sinister could've been messing with Cyclops for all we know.

Neobeast · Mar 19, 2004, 09:33 pm

I rememer reading on one of the other threads that Adam-X was seen last in the Silver Surfer comic, where it was revealed that he was the son of the deceased D'Ken, the Shi'ar emperor from the Phoenix storyline. I believe that it was intended for Adam-X to be the son of both D'Ken and Catherine Summers, making him the third brother, but this never actually made it to the x-books. Most of this is from the forum and not from my personal reading, so take it as you will.

Also, I would like to know who the person was that was spying on Jean and Scott in X-Men 39 too, Magik! I had forgotten about it completely. Does anybody know out there?

Mar 19, 2004, 10:27 pm

Gambit Summers!

jignat · Mar 19, 2004, 10:54 pm

in the last panel of New xmen 39, erik the red(shiiar agent) is watching scott/jean while Sinister watches him .

*Marty P* · Mar 20, 2004, 07:25 am

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Originally posted by jignat
in the last panel of New xmen 39, erik the red(shiiar agent) is watching scott/jean while Sinister watches him .

Hmm, actually makes sense adding Neobeasts info....

Thanks!

cypherlock · Mar 20, 2004, 10:23 am

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Originally posted by jignat
in the last panel of New xmen 39, erik the red(shiiar agent) is watching scott/jean while Sinister watches him .

Here's one thing that always kinda bugged me...

So, Erik the Red is a Shi'ar agent, yes? He pays Black Tom and Juggie to kill the X-men, brainwashed Lorna and Alex to kill the X-men, aged Magneto back to his prime, and sent Firelord after the Professor.

But... awhile before... Erik the Red was... Scott's identity that he used while he was incognito.

Hunh? I never read the original story with Erik the Red, just know that it was Cyclops in disguise, and when he runs into Erik with the new X-men, he says, "But you can't be Erik the Red! I was Erik the Red!"

Anyone fill me in?

Joel Phillips · Mar 20, 2004, 01:45 pm

Scott took on the guise of Erik the Red in (Uncanny) X-Men #51-52, as part of the original Mesmero/Polaris/Magneto-that-turns-out-to-be-a-robot story. He used the identity to get in their good graces without them knowing he was an X-Man, and then he snuck the other X-Men in. It's a fairly ridiculous story for a number of reasons, not the least of which being that the whole point of having to sneak someone in was because the X-Men couldn't beat the Demi-Men (Mesmero's lackeys) in a straight up battle. Yet Scott alone, as Erik the Red, manages to fight them solo and do well enough to a) not get killed and b) prove himself of value to Mesmero and the Magneto-bot. It's one of those "only in the Silver Age" kinda stories (although the Magneto-bot should have tipped you to that!).

As for how the Shi'ar Erik took on the guise, I think he was already on Earth, somehow saw Scott's ruse and decided to adopt the same costume and codename (for whatever reason). This is the explanation I usually hear, but I can't remember ever seeing it in print, so take it for what it's worth.

Seventh Sense · Mar 20, 2004, 06:29 pm

@ spiman1: The identity of Shaw's "stalker" was never revealed, but some say it was BlackHeart.

I was really looking forward to the resolution of that mystery...

@cypherlock: I loved the All-New, All-Deadly X-Men!! I was so dissapointed when we learned that they were "artificial", as they were really interesting...

I always thought that the "Grey" part came from Jean-like powers (Phoenix manifestation) and costume.

Maybe Mercury's secret agent part came from Logan.

Rapture (great name, BTW) had Mystique's appearance, Warren's wings and Kurt's sword and religion...

Xaos was so cool.

jignat · Mar 20, 2004, 06:37 pm

I love this thread and site , so many courteous, well-informed people.

Ok, next question..
(I wasnt gonna let y'all off that easy..)

In New Xmen 27, a mutant called Threnody is introduced. Appraently, she discharges energy blasts when coming into contact with people who have LAegacy virus.
Rogue asks sinister who set off Threnody's powers earlier and sinister says that is a mystery for another time.

Do you think the staff considered Rogue/Iceman/ or Beast contracting the Legacy virus? Or was it someone else.?
Thanks.

*Marty P* · Mar 20, 2004, 06:56 pm

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Originally posted by jignat
Do you think the staff considered Rogue/Iceman/ or Beast contracting the Legacy virus? Or was it someone else.?
Thanks.

I think they planned for that person to be Sinister himself, but then realized afterwards he wasn't a mutant, and " forgot " about it.....though Moira was infected as well later, and she wasn't a mutant.....at least, that we know...

Captain America · Mar 20, 2004, 06:56 pm

I always thought Sinister had contracted the Legacy Virus, because Thren's powers were set off just before he arrived on the scene if I recall correctly. It would make sense, Sinister having been in closest in proximity to the virus when it was released into the air (other than his blad scientist lackey of course).

Seventh Sense · Mar 20, 2004, 07:04 pm

That's a great question, jignat, especially for all the possibly touching and deep stories we could have got with such a development with a main character like any of those.
Let's face it, as much as I loved Illyana, she wasn't a main character at the time...

Captain America · Mar 20, 2004, 08:43 pm

There was that thing in X-Men: Declassified about Beast injecting himself with the Virus to motivate himself into finding a cure, but that wasn't true...as far as we knew.

*Marty P* · Mar 20, 2004, 08:49 pm

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Originally posted by Seventh Sense
That's a great question, jignat, especially for all the possibly touching and deep stories we could have got with such a development with a main character like any of those.
Let's face it, as much as I loved Illyana, she wasn't a main character at the time...

I agree.
How many main characters did actually die from the Legacy Virus? Not one. The only ones were villians, or B-characters.
Maybe that's why that plot never really stood out as a classic....?

Seventh Sense · Mar 20, 2004, 11:10 pm

That's right, Magik. The only thing that came out of that storyline was Colossus "sacrifice"...

*Lia Brown* · Mar 21, 2004, 02:55 am

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Originally posted by Magik the Darkchild
I think they planned for that person to be Sinister himself, but then realized afterwards he wasn't a mutant, and " forgot " about it.....though Moira was infected as well later, and she wasn't a mutant.....at least, that we know...

Well, Dark Beast infected a bunch of humans with Legacy, including a girl Random liked. That's why he later tried to look for a cure.

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Originally posted by Magik the Darkchild

How many main characters did actually die from the Legacy Virus? Not one. The only ones were villians, or B-characters.
Maybe that's why that plot never really stood out as a classic....?

Hmph.

Robert Drake · Mar 21, 2004, 09:04 am

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Originally posted by Magik the Darkchild

I agree.
How many main characters did actually die from the Legacy Virus? Not one. The only ones were villians, or B-characters.
Maybe that's why that plot never really stood out as a classic....?

uhhmmmm....it did kill Elizabeth Braddock's body

Captain America · Mar 21, 2004, 09:34 am

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Originally posted by Lia Brown
Hmph.

*Cap subtlely remind everyone the poor Pyro (Lia's fave) died of it, but in a meaningful and heroic fashion*

How many years did he have that, anyway? He contracted it before AoA (was it in X-Men Annual 2...?) and finally died in like 1999 or so...that's like 6 or 7 years, right? Illyana last a few months (awww, sniff).

Neobeast · Mar 21, 2004, 10:00 am

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Originally posted by Captain America

*Cap subtlely remind everyone the poor Pyro (Lia's fave) died of it, but in a meaningful and heroic fashion*

How many years did he have that, anyway? He contracted it before AoA (was it in X-Men Annual 2...?) and finally died in like 1999 or so...that's like 6 or 7 years, right? Illyana last a few months (awww, sniff).

Yes, but you have to remember about how comic time works. It was probably anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 the actual 6-7 years, . . . or something. I would try to estimate the time, but I'm too afraid that my brain might explode.:aargh:

Mar 18, 2004, 08:50 pm	#1
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Mar 19, 2004, 12:31 pm	#3
cypherlock Metahuman Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Portsmouth, NH Country: Posts: 267	I was just thinking a lot about the old All New, All Deadly X-men. For those who never read it, one of the Prime Sentinels tried to access Cerebro, and an error in a failsafe ended up dumping the Cerebro program into the Prime Sentinels nanotechnological body, and the merger created a sentient, living Cerebro. Because Charles was the mind it was most used to being with, it imitated him, even appearing has him for awhile, as well as organizing his own "X-men" based on versions of mutants he'd met over the years. Each "X-man" was like a composite of a bunch of other mutants... Does everyone know WHICH mutants that each was based on? Lemme take a shot at it... CRUX: Fire and Ice, that's easy. Fire, Sunfire, Ice, Iceman. I also thought that she looked physically a bit like Jubilee, and her mask looked... familiar... is it Destiny that it resembles or someone from the MLF? MERCURY: This one's fairly easy--he looks physically like Colossus, and even can armor up like him (sort of), but he has claw-fingers, and I'm not sure who that's based on. He has magnetic powers, too (Magneto/Polaris). His background is that he's a secret agent... Who's that based on? LANDSLIDE: Looks like Sabretooth and the Blob, with a little BEast mixed in. Am I detecting a little Wolverine in here too? Another one, really subtle--he has a section of hair that's white, AND he speaks with a heavy southern accent... Rogue! RAPTURE: Looks like Mystique (even has her skull jewelry) with wings like Archangel, a sword like... um... I dunno, at teh time, maybe Shatterstar? Not sure though. Did she have any other powers? GREY KING: Easy, first off, it's a combo Black King/White King. Second, red hair and telepathic powers? Jean Grey, easy. Ability to cancel out other powers? Either Leech or Wipeout. And then, he's an "old friend" in the memory playback, so I'm guessing Magneto or Banshee. CHAOS: "Daniel Dash" fired energy from one of his eyes (Cyclops) that radiated out in a "concentric circle" blast formation (Havok). He even makes mention of his love for his "brother." Also, his costume is almost like Havok's, but it's wrapped with bandages (Chamber). Finally, he's autistic (M). ANyone else remember these guys? Too bad they were never real people, they were cool characters. __________________ Scanning... 01101000101010101 Cypherlock logging off...

Mar 19, 2004, 03:39 pm	#4
Marty P Comixfan Moderator Magik Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Netherlands Country: Posts: 5,656	After re-reading X-men # 39 yesterday (the one with Adam X, the X-treme finding and taking care of Grampa Summers), on the last panel we see the homage to Uncanny # 94. It has someone watching Scott and Jean on a monitor. He on his turn is being watched by Sinister on a monitor. (yes, this time they did get the colors right ) Now my question is, was it ever revealed who the first watcher was??? __________________ Want to know in what order to read your collection of X-books, Avengers or DC? Now online: www.comicreadorder.com

Mar 19, 2004, 09:33 pm	#8
Neobeast Chibi Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Georgia Country: Posts: 13	I rememer reading on one of the other threads that Adam-X was seen last in the Silver Surfer comic, where it was revealed that he was the son of the deceased D'Ken, the Shi'ar emperor from the Phoenix storyline. I believe that it was intended for Adam-X to be the son of both D'Ken and Catherine Summers, making him the third brother, but this never actually made it to the x-books. Most of this is from the forum and not from my personal reading, so take it as you will. Also, I would like to know who the person was that was spying on Jean and Scott in X-Men 39 too, Magik! I had forgotten about it completely. Does anybody know out there? __________________ Have I mentioned how much I love this DB avatar! OMG! The Spiral smilie rocks! Ah, cha cha cha cha cha. . . Delicious! -Stinky Pete Sealab 2021

Mar 20, 2004, 06:29 pm	#14
Seventh Sense Lord of the Crimson Dawn Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In the deepest, darkest shadows of your soul... Country: Posts: 194	@ spiman1: The identity of Shaw's "stalker" was never revealed, but some say it was BlackHeart. I was really looking forward to the resolution of that mystery... @cypherlock: I loved the All-New, All-Deadly X-Men!! I was so dissapointed when we learned that they were "artificial", as they were really interesting... I always thought that the "Grey" part came from Jean-like powers (Phoenix manifestation) and costume. Maybe Mercury's secret agent part came from Logan. Rapture (great name, BTW) had Mystique's appearance, Warren's wings and Kurt's sword and religion... Xaos was so cool. __________________ In this, the darkest of all hours, I command the Dark Dragons of the Crimson Dawn to roam the Earth, to bring sacrifice and blood, to bring despair and agony, until the Dark Princess honors us once more with her Glorious presence. Dare not even cast the slightest Shadow, or you'll fall to eternal damnation in my Realm. Until Justice is done, fear shall rule your life. Legions of demons and black spectres of the night dread my wrath... now the World shall behold my mighty and undying rage!! So speaks... The Lord of the Crimson Dawn!!!!:{ "Once you've been touched by the Dawn, you stay touched forever." :betsy:Loyal and Eternal Member of the Acolytes of Psylocke:betsy: Last edited by Seventh Sense; Mar 20, 2004 at 07:01 pm.

Mar 19, 2004, 12:19 pm	#2
John Otis Chibi Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Country: Posts: 14	Does anyone remember that whole Sebastion Shaw.....making a deal with an ancient evil thing that was going on during kelly and seagle's run? What was meant to happen with that....anyone know?

Mar 19, 2004, 05:33 pm	#5
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Mar 19, 2004, 10:27 pm	#9
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Mar 19, 2004, 10:54 pm	#10
jignat Chibi Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Country: Posts: 2	in the last panel of New xmen 39, erik the red(shiiar agent) is watching scott/jean while Sinister watches him .

Mar 20, 2004, 01:45 pm	#13
Joel Phillips Slayer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: California Country: Posts: 926	Scott took on the guise of Erik the Red in (Uncanny) X-Men #51-52, as part of the original Mesmero/Polaris/Magneto-that-turns-out-to-be-a-robot story. He used the identity to get in their good graces without them knowing he was an X-Man, and then he snuck the other X-Men in. It's a fairly ridiculous story for a number of reasons, not the least of which being that the whole point of having to sneak someone in was because the X-Men couldn't beat the Demi-Men (Mesmero's lackeys) in a straight up battle. Yet Scott alone, as Erik the Red, manages to fight them solo and do well enough to a) not get killed and b) prove himself of value to Mesmero and the Magneto-bot. It's one of those "only in the Silver Age" kinda stories (although the Magneto-bot should have tipped you to that!). As for how the Shi'ar Erik took on the guise, I think he was already on Earth, somehow saw Scott's ruse and decided to adopt the same costume and codename (for whatever reason). This is the explanation I usually hear, but I can't remember ever seeing it in print, so take it for what it's worth.

Mar 20, 2004, 06:37 pm	#15
jignat Chibi Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Country: Posts: 2	I love this thread and site , so many courteous, well-informed people. Ok, next question.. (I wasnt gonna let y'all off that easy..) In New Xmen 27, a mutant called Threnody is introduced. Appraently, she discharges energy blasts when coming into contact with people who have LAegacy virus. Rogue asks sinister who set off Threnody's powers earlier and sinister says that is a mystery for another time. Do you think the staff considered Rogue/Iceman/ or Beast contracting the Legacy virus? Or was it someone else.? Thanks.

Mar 20, 2004, 06:56 pm	#17
Captain America Avengers Assemble! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Scotland Country: Posts: 1,567	I always thought Sinister had contracted the Legacy Virus, because Thren's powers were set off just before he arrived on the scene if I recall correctly. It would make sense, Sinister having been in closest in proximity to the virus when it was released into the air (other than his blad scientist lackey of course).

Mar 20, 2004, 07:04 pm	#18
Seventh Sense Lord of the Crimson Dawn Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In the deepest, darkest shadows of your soul... Country: Posts: 194	That's a great question, jignat, especially for all the possibly touching and deep stories we could have got with such a development with a main character like any of those. Let's face it, as much as I loved Illyana, she wasn't a main character at the time... __________________ In this, the darkest of all hours, I command the Dark Dragons of the Crimson Dawn to roam the Earth, to bring sacrifice and blood, to bring despair and agony, until the Dark Princess honors us once more with her Glorious presence. Dare not even cast the slightest Shadow, or you'll fall to eternal damnation in my Realm. Until Justice is done, fear shall rule your life. Legions of demons and black spectres of the night dread my wrath... now the World shall behold my mighty and undying rage!! So speaks... The Lord of the Crimson Dawn!!!!:{ "Once you've been touched by the Dawn, you stay touched forever." :betsy:Loyal and Eternal Member of the Acolytes of Psylocke:betsy:

Mar 20, 2004, 08:43 pm	#19
Captain America Avengers Assemble! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Scotland Country: Posts: 1,567	There was that thing in X-Men: Declassified about Beast injecting himself with the Virus to motivate himself into finding a cure, but that wasn't true...as far as we knew.

Mar 20, 2004, 11:10 pm	#21
Seventh Sense Lord of the Crimson Dawn Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In the deepest, darkest shadows of your soul... Country: Posts: 194	That's right, Magik. The only thing that came out of that storyline was Colossus "sacrifice"... __________________ In this, the darkest of all hours, I command the Dark Dragons of the Crimson Dawn to roam the Earth, to bring sacrifice and blood, to bring despair and agony, until the Dark Princess honors us once more with her Glorious presence. Dare not even cast the slightest Shadow, or you'll fall to eternal damnation in my Realm. Until Justice is done, fear shall rule your life. Legions of demons and black spectres of the night dread my wrath... now the World shall behold my mighty and undying rage!! So speaks... The Lord of the Crimson Dawn!!!!:{ "Once you've been touched by the Dawn, you stay touched forever." :betsy:Loyal and Eternal Member of the Acolytes of Psylocke:betsy:

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