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Old Jul 20, 2004, 09:14 am   #26
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Are you saying sales are an indication of how good a book is? That arguement can be destroyed in so many ways. Let's look at some reasons why astonishing is selling more than District X shall we?

1. Hyped, high profile writer on it.
2. Main X-title book.
3. More hyped than District X

Some of the best books coming out today have bad sales. Your arguement that sales=quality are weak, flawed, and wrong.
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Im not supporting this book after the issue six if bishop is not the main character. I bought this book to support Bishop which is the only male black character on the xmen and to put him on the cover but not in the book is a slap in the face to fans of Bishop.
The last three issues he's been on the cover and on the interior. The writer STATED BEFORE this title began that Bishop was only a guest for a couple arcs.
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Old Jul 20, 2004, 09:19 am   #27
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Im not supporting this book after the issue six if bishop is not the main character. I bought this book to support Bishop which is the only male black character on the xmen and to put him on the cover but not in the book is a slap in the face to fans of Bishop.

Excellent decision. Giving up on a comic that progresses tired and stagnating ideas into new and unexplored areas, purely because a character who features on the cover isnt actually the main character in the book, is both insightful and courageous.

This comic is called "District X" not "Bishop - I'm a cop in District X". Bishop is not supposed to be the main chracter of the book. That would be completely missing the point of where this comic is propelling its self towards.

Bishop is at best, a guest appearance in this series, due to the nature of his job.

I can understand your point rgarding putting a chracter on the front of an issue and then not including them inside, hell, i read Incredible Hulk, the last few arcs have hardly featured the Hulk, but to base the internal story on what the cover shows is a little naieve.

Covers on comic books are more and more removing themselves from what is actually going to happen. Plus its a marketing tool by Marvel to get u to buy the comic. That may be bad on their part but the ploy works.

If it was called Spider-Man and didnt feature Peter Parker or his alter ego Spider-Man then i could accept that. But this is called District X.

I would reccomend you try and support this comic, mainly because if its sales do drop (hopefully not) then u may not get any other comics with Bishop in. Apart from the Xmen comics themselves.

I can understand you wanting to support male black chracters, especially Bishop as they can be stereotyped and not given enough time or prestige given their experience and background, but to make District X your focal point of annoyance and rebelling may not be the best course of action. Considering its one of the bes comics produced by Marvel.
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Old Jul 20, 2004, 09:33 am   #28
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Are you saying sales are an indication of how good a book is? That arguement can be destroyed in so many ways. Let's look at some reasons why astonishing is selling more than District X shall we?

1. Hyped, high profile writer on it.
2. Main X-title book.
3. More hyped than District X


Your right about that, Carnage. Whedon is more well known compare to David Hine, thanks to Buffy and such. Main X-titles will usually contains most fans their favorite characters. Marvel gave Astonishing much more publicity than District X.

What District X needs is to have Wolvy or Spidey to appear in the book to increase the sales. Well, er not really just pulling your chains, ppl.

Excellent point there, James, can't wait for his reply.
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Old Jul 20, 2004, 09:48 am   #29
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I have to say.. so far Reload has not disappointed me at all. I read this title, Astonishing and Uncanny.

This issue is really really about gangster, mobs, and drugs. It's kinda like X-Sopranos. Fun Fun Read!

Great review, Mr. Rafael.
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Old Jul 20, 2004, 10:33 am   #30
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Oh God, Erwin, why do you have to give this such glowing praise? You've never let me down in the past, as everything you've ever reccomended i've always enjoyed. Now i've gotta go spend money on an X-Men Re-Load book that I promised I wasnt going to touch.

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Old Jul 20, 2004, 10:53 am   #31
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Covers on comic books are more and more removing themselves from what is actually going to happen. Plus its a marketing tool by Marvel to get u to buy the comic. That may be bad on their part but the ploy works.
I'm not so sure it's a good idea here. The covers pretty much scream "Bishop solo book!", ensuring that people like myself are unlikely to pick it up. But many people who would want to buy a book all about Bishop are unlikely to be enthused by the actual contents, which play out more like Powers than an X-book.

I know you've got to sell the book, but selling it to people who are unlikely to buy another issue seems like an unwise strategy.
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Old Jul 20, 2004, 11:25 am   #32
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Bishop has finally been developed in character and if hes in the book it should reflect that. He is a good character if people would just give the brother a chance.
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Old Jul 20, 2004, 11:34 am   #33
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I'm not so sure it's a good idea here. The covers pretty much scream "Bishop solo book!", ensuring that people like myself are unlikely to pick it up. But many people who would want to buy a book all about Bishop are unlikely to be enthused by the actual contents, which play out more like Powers than an X-book.

I know you've got to sell the book, but selling it to people who are unlikely to buy another issue seems like an unwise strategy.
Good point! THe cover kinda misses out a bit on both fronts.

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He is a good character if people would just give the brother a chance.
I agree, he is a good character with definite potential. The detective angle should be further explored.
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Old Jul 20, 2004, 11:59 am   #34
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For the record, Bishop is an Aborigine, not African American.
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Although, to be fair, that whole aborigine thing seemed to be pulled out of thin air.
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I think Bishop will show up more prominently later. They're establishing mood and setting right now. I've been very pleased with it.

Simplistic marketing guys (who don't read the comics) may well consider this a full on Bishop solo book. If it doesn't do well, they may not see the interest in further Bishop solo books. Any interest in the title is good for the Bishop character, if you'd like to see more of him.

`Course, it's all up to you. I find it a good title. I wouldn't normally buy any Bishop solo book, just because he's not my favorite character, but I got hooked on this one in the first issue. Something that still surprises me.

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Old Jul 20, 2004, 12:37 pm   #37
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I think Bishop will show up more prominently later. They're establishing mood and setting right now. I've been very pleased with it.

Simplistic marketing guys (who don't read the comics) may well consider this a full on Bishop solo book. If it doesn't do well, they may not see the interest in further Bishop solo books. Any interest in the title is good for the Bishop character, if you'd like to see more of him.

`Course, it's all up to you. I find it a good title. I wouldn't normally buy any Bishop solo book, just because he's not my favorite character, but I got hooked on this one in the first issue. Something that still surprises me.

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Old Jul 20, 2004, 12:48 pm   #38
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Bishop has finally been developed in character and if hes in the book it should reflect that. He is a good character if people would just give the brother a chance.
I know. Have any writers covered the fact that he's a cop?

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The book is pretty good. I would put it towards the top of my ReLoad list in terms of quality. I actually thought at the beginning that this would be a Bishop book and was hesitant in buying it, but my shop had it on their recommended rack so I picked it up on a whim.

I have not been dissapointed. It is a quality piece of work from writing to artwork.

As for Bishop being on the cover and being misleading, meh.

So many books do it nowadays that I don't even give it a second thought. Bishop is on the cover for all of this arc. He's a guest star of the arc.

However, I could see how a fan of Bishop would be dissapointed that he isn't being kept around in this book.
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Old Jul 20, 2004, 02:02 pm   #39
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Im not supporting this book after the issue six if bishop is not the main character. I bought this book to support Bishop which is the only male black character on the xmen and to put him on the cover but not in the book is a slap in the face to fans of Bishop.
i get your point, D, and i have pointed out that fact in my previous review. However, i don't think that you should take your disappointment out on this book per se, but rather on Marvel marketing. if anything, it's not the book that's inappropriate. it's the cover that is inappropriate. but it's still a great book, a great read.

give this book a chance. it's a good read, right? the way Bishop was handled on the cover is a different matter entirely...

anyway, next issue's cover does not feature Bishop. it's Mr. M...

about supporting Bishop because he's the only male black character. personally, i don't think race should be an issue in comics and that the basis of support should be solely on the quality of the work alone. i may support books based on the race of the creator, but not of the character. that's why i buy comic books made by Filipino artists and writers but i don;t necessarily buy books that feature Pinoy characters. still, i respect your decision for that, and i know some people are more hooked to the characters rather than the creators.

(i would like to add that Distrcit X is the only book that made me like Bishop. i guess it's because it doesn not involve any of that time-travelling mumbo jumbo, which sort of made him a Cable wannabe)
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i get your point, D, and i have pointed out that fact in my previous review. However, i don't think that you should take your disappointment out on this book per se, but rather on Marvel marketing. if anything, it's not the book that's inappropriate. it's the cover that is inappropriate. but it's still a great book, a great read.

give this book a chance. it's a good read, right? the way Bishop was handled on the cover is a different matter entirely...

anyway, next issue's cover does not feature Bishop. it's Mr. M...

about supporting Bishop because he's the only male black character. personally, i don't think race should be an issue in comics and that the basis of support should be solely on the quality of the work alone. i may support books based on the race of the creator, but not of the character. that's why i buy comic books made by Filipino artists and writers but i don;t necessarily buy books that feature Pinoy characters. still, i respect your decision for that, and i know some people are more hooked to the characters rather than the creators.

(i would like to add that Distrcit X is the only book that made me like Bishop. i guess it's because it doesn not involve any of that time-travelling mumbo jumbo, which sort of made him a Cable wannabe)
CC kind of put the time travel stuff to the side and developed his skills as a detective and a military commander. He is a seasoned veteran at policing mututants and humans.The book does have some diverse characters and ill wait and see what developes after this arc. I wont stop buying it till then.
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Another great issue of what is rapidly becoming my favourite book on the stands. David Hine is doing a superb job in plotting a really involving and intricate storyline after only 3 issues. Superb all around. Along with Daredevil, Spider-Man, Runaways and Astonishing X Men, this is one of Marvels finest. The problem with a book of this nature however is that the average "fan boy" for want of a better word will not pick it up so I question how long it will last but I will be here every step of the way without question.
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This book has been solidily great. It also genuinely surprises me with plot twists. I am glad that there is not really one main character so that the community is reflected well.
It is also good that the characters are personality wise realistic and genuine.
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Old Jul 21, 2004, 12:37 am   #43
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Nice Review! I really enjoy this book and it is one of my favorite comic reads of the month. I know Bishop isnt the draw of this book for me, Im way more interested in Izzy and his family. I didnt know he was only a guest star, though. A nice break in the month from the usual X-Men fare. Cant wait for the next issue!
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Are you saying sales are an indication of how good a book is? That arguement can be destroyed in so many ways. Let's look at some reasons why astonishing is selling more than District X shall we?

1. Hyped, high profile writer on it.
2. Main X-title book.
3. More hyped than District X

Some of the best books coming out today have bad sales. Your arguement that sales=quality are weak, flawed, and wrong.
Huh? It isn't a flawed argument because it wasn't actually an argument. Am I correct in assuming that post was directed at my blatant joke? If so, I wasn't suggesting sells equal quality, what I meant to say was [put words in my mouth again to finish this thought however you deem fit. I suggest making me a pony enthusiast].
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